At the end of this post is the Biblical Creation account from Genesis, from the King James Version of the Bible. You really should read it all, if you are interested in understanding this point. I am going to focus on just a few verses, but it’s there for your reference.
Here’s the thing. Right off the bat, right from the get go, the Bible shoots itself in the foot. Just look at the sequence in Genesis chapter one, describing creation.
Bible believers and non believers are all over the map on this account, to the point of making outrageous and improvable claims.
Now, there is something new. People arguing over the interpretation of the Bible. Say it ain’t so!
Let me make one slightly off topic observation before I proceed. People like to make the statement that “It would be impossible for God to create the Earth in 7 days!” Really? I would think that a being(s) capable of creating the earth, sun, moon, stars and the rest of the universe could create it as fast as he wanted. What makes it impossible? In the context of the Bible it’s perfectly logical and possible.
Can a 7 foot tall, fur covered alien fly a space ship? Can a space station destroy a planet? Can there exist a “force” in the universe that connects all things? Can a three foot tall, green 800 year old being be a combat master and a pretty agile sword fighter? Can a normal guy make it to 40 and still be a virgin? In the context of the movies, it all makes perfect sense.
The point is, if you’re going to make up fantastic, improvable bullshit, the sky is the limit. So, if you buy that theory that God or some intelligence created all this, the time it took seems kind of irrelevant compared to the feat of creation itself, don’t ‘ya think? Incidentally, personally I have concluded that the universe is a result of intelligent design. I can’t prove it was and you can’t prove it wasn’t. I don’t claim to know how it was done. I don’t have a clue. However, the point of this post is that the Bible’s account of creation makes little sense and when some of these Bible believers get to “explaining” it, the weird shit they come up with makes it even more loony.
First the “facts”. Not real provable facts, but “What does the Bible actually say”? I am going to focus on the part where God creates light, the sun, moon and stars. Here’s the basic sequence, by day number:
1- Light and the division between day and night – Gen. 1:3 – 5
2- Expanse, or a division between waters
beneath the expanse and waters above it – Gen. 1:6 – 8
3- Dry land; vegetation – Gen. 1:9 – 13
4- Sun, Moon and Stars – Gen. 1:14 – 19
5- Fish, aquatic animals and flying creatures – Gen. 1:20 – 23
6- Land animals and man – Gen. 1:24 – 31
7- God rested
So, notice he creates light first, Day 1 and then the Sun, Moon and stars, Day 4. So the logical question is where did the light come from on Day 1?
Some of the Bible delusionary will say “Well, Genesis 1:1 says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”, so the Sun, Moon and Stars are in the Heavens so the light must have come from them.
Then why does Gen. 1:16 say: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.”
Here is how Jehovah’s Witnesses and some others reconcile this statement:
From “Insight on the Scriptures”, vol. 1, pages 527-528
“The divine will concerning luminaries was accomplished on Day Four, it being stated: “God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth, and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness.” (Ge 1:16-18) In view of the description of these luminaries, the greater luminary was quite apparently the sun and the lesser luminary the moon, though the sun and moon are not specifically named in the Bible until after its account of the Flood of Noah’s day.—Ge 15:12; 37:9.”
“Previously, on the first “day,” the expression “Let light come to be” was used. The Hebrew word there used for “light” is ’ohr, meaning light in a general sense. But on the fourth “day,” the Hebrew word changes to ma·’ohr´, which refers to a luminary or source of light. (Ge 1:14) So, on the first “day” diffused light evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, (the Jo Ho’s teach that there was a big cloud around the earth. That’s where the water for Noah’s flood came from.) but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an earthly observer. Now, on the fourth “day,” things evidently changed.”
“It is also noteworthy that at Genesis 1:16 the Hebrew verb ba·ra’´, meaning “create,” is not used. Instead, the Hebrew verb ‛a·sah´, meaning “make,” is employed. Since the sun, moon, and stars are included in “the heavens” mentioned in Genesis 1:1, they were created long before Day Four. On the fourth day God proceeded to “make” these celestial bodies occupy a new relationship toward earth’s surface and the expanse above it. When it is said, “God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth,” this would indicate that they now became discernible from the surface of the earth, as though they were in the expanse. Also, the luminaries were to “serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years,” thus later providing guidance for man in various ways.—Ge 1:14.”
What? So to summarize the Jo Ho contortion of this:
1- The Sun, Moon and Stars were already created on Day 4, because vs. 1 says “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”. That included the Sun, Moon and Stars. It doesn’t say that, but Jo Ho’s say that.
2- So when on Day 1, God said “Let there be light”, the “light” that came from the already created Sun, Moon and Stars.
3- Even thought the Bible says, in vs. 16 that God “made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.” He didn’t really “create” them. He simply moved them. The quote from the above Jo Ho bullshit: “On the fourth day God proceeded to “make” these celestial bodies occupy a new relationship toward earth’s surface and the expanse above it.”
4- Did he move all the stars, too?
Notice some of the phraseology they use to explain this: “Now, on the fourth “day,” things evidently changed.” So, again Jo Ho’s go beyond what’s written and refer to things that evidently are only evident to them.
Just think and reason for a second on the sequence of things. Vs. 2 says the earth was dark. In vs. 3, God says let there be light. Then He goes on to say let the day be separated from the night. How does that happen? The earth revolves on its axis every 24 hours, close to the Sun for there to be a day and night. But the Jo Ho’s say the Sun was not in position.
So, God made the Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars before vs. 1, and moved the Sun and Moon into position on Day 4. The contention is made that “the Hebrew verb ‛a·sah´, meaning “make,” is employed” not the Hebrew verb ba·ra’´, meaning “create,”. So the difference between make and create is what?
To the Witnesses it means God simply moved the already created Sun and Moon into position.
But look how various Bibles render Gen. 1:16.
The King James Version:
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.”
The American Standard Version:
“And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also”
New American Standard Bible:
“God made the two great lights, the (X)greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made (Y)the stars also.
The New International Version:
“God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.”
English Standard Version:
“And God kmade the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.”
You would think if somebody other than the Witnesses thought God “moved” the Sun and Moon, they would say “moved” instead of made. Notice that you have to believe a series of “evidently’s” for the Jo Ho version to be correct.
The point is, look at the creation sequence for any Bible you like. It makes no sense. I don’t give a shit that “the Hebrew verb ‛a·sah´, meaning “make,” is employed” not the Hebrew verb ba·ra’´, meaning “create,”. The Jo Ho’s draw the ridicules conclusion that “God proceeded to “make” these celestial bodies occupy a new relationship toward earth’s surface and the expanse above it.” None of the Bibles I have read says that. If that is what it means, than I would expect other Bibles to say “So God moved the Sun and Moon on the Day Four. They all say God “made” the Sun, Moon and Stars on day 4.
But, in the big scheme of things, the Genesis creation account has many inexplicable problems. Read it and see for yourself. The Jo Ho’s and others like to say that the Hebrew means this and that and in order to understand the Bible you have to have the “flavor” of the original language.
Well, ain’t that just great. Since most Christians barely read English, how can “getting the flavor of the original language” be a requirement to understand the Book God wants us all to understand, as it leads to our everlasting salvation? It conveniently allows for and in fact creates the need for a “scholarly” or “clergy” class who we trust. These guys assume leadership and translate the flavor of the original language to us. Even though there are as many interpretations as there are “experts” and “scholars”, all Christians pick their trusted expert and base their remedial understanding of the Bible what their leaders say. Thus Christians create the many organized religions.
Here are a few random loony things Bible assholes throw around. We have the “light year” controversy, where if God created the Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars in 6 days and man has been on the earth for approx. 6,000 years (that has some merit, using Bible chronology), we couldn’t see any stars farther than 6,000 light years away. Now the measurement of light years is pretty solid science and we can see stars that are a million or more light years away. So if God created the stars 6,000 years ago, every night or so, new stars would become visible as their light reached earth.
Since that doesn’t happen, some assholes say that the speed of light must be faster than 186,000 miles per second. Seriously, no bullshit. They have some great speculative scientific theories to back this up…maybe. Honestly, who in the hell knows. But what sense does that make? If new stars appeared every night, wouldn’t that be some very compelling information that might give the Bible’s account some credence? Sure, but hey God, be it He/She/It or Them have proved that it’s really easy to fuck with us. If the universe was a cable TV system, we would be the asshole channel.
God(s) would come home from the office or whatever and gather around the really big screen and laugh their asses off watching the latest crazy ass shit those humans have done.
“Man look how bad we fucked with them when we gave them all those screwed up Holy Books! Shit, they can’t even read! It was a great idea to make them stupid. Look which human they elected President! What idiots! This is some funny shit. “
“Hey, let’s get some really hot females to screw Tiger Woods. That ought to be good for some laughs! I love it when they fuck and everyone acts all indignant and stuff, when they all do it! They all worry about what the children will think. Shit, after the adult humans get done fucking with the heads of the kids, they can’t think!”
Oh yea, and some other asshole says that six thousand years ago, when God created the Earth, he simply caused the light to reach the Earth so that it looks like light coming from those stars. Those stars are there and their light is coming, but in the meantime we have the fake light from God.
The Bible is full of shit and the more you try to explain it or state what is “evident” the more you look like an asshole. I pick on the fucked up Jehovah’s Witnesses because that is my life’s experience. All you other religious assholes are…well….assholes too.
The Creation account from the King James Version of the Bible
Genesis, chapter 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.