This is a post about a recent exchange I had with a Jehovah’s Witness. I have many exchanges with JW’s, most of which I am saving for a big post about, well… exchanges with Jehovah’s Witnesses. I post on many websites and this very well meaning person felt moved to send me an email and it was actually quite thoughtful. I did appreciate it
I responded in an appreciative manner, with a little bit about my personal history etc. and mentioned my blog.
Well, things went to shit in a hurry. This person was offended by my swearing. This person never mentioned the facts I presented, only that my swearing was offensive. I mentioned that Jehovah’s Witnesses have predicted that the end of the world or Armageddon would come on 6 separate and distinct dates and or time periods and all were false. I don’t know if this person actually read this, but here are the quotes below.
This is stuff from an earlier post:
Six (6) predictions by Jehovah’s Witnesses that Armageddon was coming that proved to be absolutely false.
1 - 1914 - 1902 -”In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of 1914.” (The Time is at Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99) Note: this same statement was contained in the 1908 edition of the same book.
2 - End of WW1: “The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures (Revelation 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world”. (Pastor Russell’s Sermons, 1915, p. 676)
In the same year (1915),
3 - 1925 - “The period must end in 1925 . . . [This date] is definitely fixed in the Scriptures. Every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. The scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of Satan’s empire and the full establishment of the Messianic kingdom . . . Therefore, it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die”. (Golden Age, January 4, 1922, p. 217)
4 - 1975 - Watchtower, October 15, 1969 pages 622 and 623:
“More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid-seventies…. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath.”
Notice the use of the definite article “the”. It would be “the fitting time”, not “a fitting time” not “an appropriate time” but “THE FITTING TIME”, to the exclusion of all other times. “Yes, Indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath”. Not “might be”, not “could be”, but “WILL BE”.
5 - End of the 20th Century - Again in 1971, they said it would come in the 20th century:”Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin”. From: The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How? 1971 p. 216”
6 - Within the life span of the 1914 generation: Watchtower, 7/1/69 pg395:
“People who were only just old enough to understand what was happening to the world in 1914 are now approaching seventy years of age. Yes, the numbers of that generation are dwindling fast, but before they all pass away this system must meet its end in the war of Armageddon.”
Of course, none of this happened. It’s even more bizarre in light of what the Watchtower 4/1/72, pages 197 says:
“So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?…This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses….Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it.”
In the face of these facts which I assume this person read, this person went off on the fact that I swear.
If I said to you “Hey get out of the fucking way! A truck is headed right for you!” Would you choose to dismiss my warning or the factual content of the statement because of the way it was presented.
“Hey, you said fuck!!
To the contrary, I think you’d move your ass out of the way and thank me.
This Jehovah’s Witness chose to ignore my facts because I swear. I see this all the time when I ask Witnesses to please explain the above statements and how “God’s true organization”, allegedly led by God could be so consistently wrong. They ignore the facts, but find another excuse to not believe what I say.
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and any new, conflicting information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become “open” to them.
Stated differently, Cognitive dissonance is a psychological state that describes the uncomfortable feeling between what one holds to be true and new conflicting “facts”.
We see people in denial all the time. You are told you have cancer. You can’t wrap your mind around it and often go into a state of denial. The problem here is that the cancer is not going away. It’s going to progress, or get worse so you can’t deny or ignore it for long. Sooner or later you must face the facts.
Cognitive Dissonance, cognitive (“cognitions” meaning beliefs) and dissonance (meaning unresolved tensions) basically means your mind wrestles with itself, trying to make sense of two or more conflicting ideas, usually one, a long held belief and the other irrefutable facts that are diametrically opposed to your long held belief.
The scientist who fist coined this phrase, Leon Festinger, wrote a book entitled “When Prophecy Fails”. Mr. Festinger observed and studied counterintuitive beliefs and persistence among of members of a UFO doomsday cult. The members of this cult had come to believe that aliens were going to destroy the earth in 1957. Well, this “cognition” didn’t happen, And yet, strangely, their proselytization increased after the leader’s prophecy failed.
The failed message of earth’s destruction, purportedly sent by aliens to a woman in 1956, became a disconfirmed expectancy that increased dissonance between cognitions, thereby causing most members of the impromptu cult to lessen the dissonance by accepting a new prophecy: that the aliens had instead spared the planet for their sake.
What they believed didn’t happen. The explanation that that the aliens had instead spared the planet for their sake, solved the internal mental conflict. The “new information” soothed the feeling of uncomfortable tension which came from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time.
This Jehovah’s Witness solved his/her internal conflict by dismissing my facts, using the excuse that I swear, so none of what I say has any credability. Thus he/she soothed the conflict between my facts and her/his beliefs. In fact, it’s likely that he/she did not even read the facts presented before seeing my swearing as the “way out” of possible mental distress.
The same mental state is what allows the Witnesses to prophesy falsely 6 times and the membership suck it up. This person just parrots what all Witnesses say, now that they are not living with a Watchtower Society prediction to look forward to.
The Witnesses will encourage everyone else to examine their own religion, but warn their own members not to. And the membership sees no problem with that.
“It’s for our own protection” they all recite.
No it’s not. It’s to keep all you fucking brain washed little profit centers in the dark. If you honestly looked at the contradictions in their literature, you can only reconcile them through
a) realizing they are full of shit or
b) irrational “rationalization” type behavior, otherwise known as cognitive dissonance.
Like the flying saucer cult. Same shit.
As a closing point, this person also assumed I left the Witnesses because I was hurt as a youth, offended by “imperfect men, etc. Is it possible that people leave the Witnesses because they figure out that the Watchtower Society is simply full of shit?
“That can’t be right. We have the truth.”
There has to be something wrong with someone for leaving the Witnesses. There can’t be any problems with the Witnesses. If you do the math, you can extrapolate that over 1 million Witnesses have left the organization in the last 20 years. That’s a lot for an organization of only 6 million. All were defective.
As far as having the “Truth”, which “Truth”? You have to be specific. The current “Truth” that teaches something totally different concerning the 1914 generation than I was taught? Was I not taught the “Truth”? Was it the “Truth” then and not the “Truth”now?
The Witness call this being progressive. If you change the “Truth” that means the former thoughts were not true, or lies. It would be different if the new “Truth” about the 1914 generation was simply an expansion of the old “Truth”, but it’s not. It’s a total paradigm shift. The generation that was born in 1914, that was central to my beliefs, is now irrelevant.
Of course, there are many instances of the Witnesses changing things and editing later copies of their literature. Most Witnesses don’t want to hear about it.
Remember when you were a kid and someone was saying something you didn’t want to hear so you put your hands over your ears and yelled loudly “La La la lalalalalalal…”?
Go by a Kingdom Hall (Jehovah’s Witness church or meeting place) when they are having a meeting. I bet you here a loud “La la lalalalalala…..” as they try to ignore real facts.
Allow me to close with a message to my new Witness “friend”, all Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christians and Religious people in general: Fuck you all, you delusional assholes.
It’s my blog. I’ll swear if I want. If you want to swear, make your own blog. If swearing offends you than don’t read my fucking blog!