More Nonsense from Christian Assholes

Woman says Church

Threatening

to make Sins Public

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18286355/detail.html#-

POSTED: Monday, December 15 2008

 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A divorced Jacksonville woman said her former church has threatened to “go public with her sins” and tell the congregation about her sexual relationship with her new boyfriend. 

Rebecca Hancock said harassment from Grace Community Church in Mandarin over her sex life caused her to leave, but she said that didn’t put an end to the problem. She said she received a letter from the church’s elders telling her the church plans to make her personal life very public. 

“I’m basically run out. I’m the church harlot,” Hancock said. 

The 49-year-old said she has been dating a man for a while and she said members of the congregation at Grace Community Church haven’t been happy about the relationship. 

“Because I have a boyfriend that I’m involved with … to not be married to that person is a sin,” Hancock said. 

She said the issue caused her to leave the church. However, she said the church has not let go of her. 

The letter Hancock received from the church states that because she has refused to end her sexual relationship with her boyfriend, “you leave us with no other choice but to carry out the commands of the Lord Jesus Christ” … “In accordance with Matthew 18:17 we intend to ‘tell it to the church.’” 

“On January 4, my sins will be told to the church, publicly, with my children sitting in the church and my friends,” Hancock said. 

The pastor of Grace Community Church, Dr. T. Scott Christmas, told Channel 4 he had no comment. 

Pastors with whom Channel 4 spoke on Monday said announcing a sin to a congregation is not abnormal. They said it’s written in the Bible to punish sinners who continue to sin. 

The difference in Hancock’s case is that she has left the church, and the pastors said that’s is usually where punishment ends. 

Despite the church’s letter stating its biblical backing, Hancock said she has backed out of the church and they should leave her alone because she is no longer a member. 

“I am a Christian, and that will never change. My relationship with Jesus has to do with me and Jesus, and he knows my heart,” Hancock said. 

The book of Matthew does have three steps that the church talked about in taking action against a member who is in sin. 

Hancock said she is now attending a different church, and said she is planning to send a letter to Grace Community Church to make sure it’s understood that she no longer a member.

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First, on behalf of Rebecca Hancock and my loyal readers, I would like to say to the Grace Community Church in Mandarin, Florida: Go fuck your collective selves, you pompous religious, hypocritical, cock sucking, busy body pieces of donkey shit.  

How many of you “holier then thou” churchies are right now fucking your secretary, lawn guy or molesting the 9 year old next door?

That being said, the real question is exactly how hot is Ms. Hancock and will they be publishing naked pictures of her? If they’re going to accuse her of fucking around, they need some real proof, like pictures or better yet, videos.

Exactly how does this work? How does anyone know for sure Becky is doing the nasty with her, here to fore unnamed male (or female) accomplice?

I would guess that they have no real “proof”, except circumstantial proof, like his car was parked at her house overnight, they have been seen in each others company around town etc., except for the fact that the stupid bitch broadcasts it, literally. She tells the TV news:

“I’m basically run out. I’m the church harlot,” Hancock said.

The 49-year-old said she has been dating a man for a while and she said members of the congregation at Grace Community Church haven’t been happy about the relationship.

“Because I have a boyfriend that I’m involved with … to not be married to that person is a sin,” Hancock said.

Good move, dumb ass. You basically admit it. What you should have said is “Mind your own fucking business”, when asked if you were fornicatin’.  But, noooo you tell the TV Station “I’m the church harlot”. You are a dumb ass. If you don’t want anyone to know, simply shut the hell up

Still, dumb ass blah blahs to the news about fucking some guy and worries about her kids hearing this in church.  So, I guess the kids don’t watch TV or talk to their friends, who I’m sure by now know all the sordid details.

But the long and the short of it is the church needs to mind their own fucking business. If Ms. Hancock wants to fuck a German Sheppard that’s her damn business. If the Church makes public “her fornicatin’, I would guess Becky will have a hell of a liable suit.

Curiously, if you are named Smith, your name originated from the occupation of your ancestors. The same with the last names Carpenter, Mason and Goatfucker, the later being a little know name common only in remote parts of Eastern Europe.  You don’t know many Goatfuckers because when any Goatfuckers got off the boat at Ellis Island, their names were Kennedy, Nixon or Obama.

So if your ancestral name is derived from your ancestor’s occupation, than what did Ms. Hancock’s ancestors do? Were their hands shaped like cocks? Did they run hand job parlors all over medieval countries whose names now end in -vokia or -stan? But more importantly, has Becky inherited the ancient methods and will they publish her phone number?

This brings up genealogical questions for anyone with “cock”, “dick” or “gay” in their last names. My Mothers ancestors came from Eastern Europe and when they hit Ellis Island the original name was Pladclitvagicockuszzcuntforudijga. This literally means “the goats are dying because of those goat fuckers”.  They immigration guys changed it to Rosenstein.

My last bit of advice is for Becky to capitalize on this and first sue the church and second, put up an internet site with her and “Mr. Here to fore unknown”, fucking in any manner and in as many places as they can. Hey, Beck, remember there is big money in hand jobs.

Some Logic and Reason that Explains the Actions and Unreasonable Beliefs of Religious Assholes

This is a very interesting article from USA Today that brings out some good points concerning the “end times” beliefs of many religious boneheads.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/12/the-end-as-a-we.html

‘The end’ as a weapon

Some environmentalists have their own fixation with the apocalypse – just not the biblical one. This involves the wrath of nature and the ecological end times. But  fear is an ineffective tool for any cause.

By Tom Krattenmaker

There is, in progressive circles, a certain fascination with those apocalyptic prophecies that seem to hold so many religious conservatives in thrall. From the sensation over the megaselling Left Behind book series to more recent media flare-ups around figures such as John Hagee (the television pastor of countdown-to-Armageddon fame), the end times seem to be looming at all times.

(Web Bryant / USA TODAY)

Turn your attention to a strain of thought ascendant in secular, environmentalist America and you might be surprised to find a similar apocalypse fixation, minus the Book of Revelation and anti-Christ parts. Call it the secular theology of environmental collapse – the fearful conviction that the hopelessly corrupt world as we know it has entered its death throes, with massive destruction stalking ever nearer.

Given the huge challenges facing this country and the constant barrage of “be afraid!” messages from politics and pulpits, it’s understandable that many of us have a close relationship with dread.

Yet we should remain wary of doomsday fantasizing, in either its religious or secular form. For history shows that such thinking, whether it revolves around the wrath of God or the rage of nature, has a way of embarrassing the doomsayers – and, more important, hampering much needed progress along the way.

Like many Americans, I’ve always been fascinated by the scary prophecies. (I do mean “many”; according to a 2004 Newsweek poll, 55%of Americans believe in the rapture, in which true Christian believers are swept up by God, with everyone else “left behind” to endure civilization’s trial, tribulation and destruction before Jesus returns to usher in a new and godly age.) I read Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth in my teens, Nostradamus’ spooky visions in college and ecological meltdown scenarios in adulthood. “Let’s wipe it all out and start again!” holds a certain appeal when the present state of affairs is looking irredeemably bad. Especially to the beholders who believe they’ll be among the “saved,” whether through divine intervention or, at least, by being on the right side of the argument.

More and more, I’m seeing the error of these ways, thanks mainly to my exposure to some of the new-wave thinkers in environmentalism and the related sustainability movement.

Two such people are Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, whose widely circulated “death of environmentalism“arguments have shaken up the green establishment. They call for an end to the old disaster-is-coming talk in favor of a positive, solutions-oriented approach to the climate challenge.

Another is Jim Proctor, head of environmental studies at Lewis & Clark (the college where I work in Portland, Ore.). Proctor is also a teacher and researcher with academic training in religion as well as environmental studies. Through many intense conversations with Proctor, I’ve begun to suspect that secular liberals who joke about right-wing Christians’ doomsday scenarios fall for some of the same unproductive thinking and believing.

The ecopocalypse

Waiting for the rapture has its secular analog in a phenomenon you might term “dystopian dread”: a growing sense of imminent ecological collapse – the ecopocalypse, if you will. Particularly ascendant here in the lush green and relatively unchurched Pacific Northwest, the narrative offers a form of secular theology that resembles aspects of the Left Behind scenarios. Instead of God, nature unleashes its wrath on “sinful” humanity; instead of the savior’s second coming, ecotheology awaits a green utopia in which electric cars, locally grown organic food and post-consumer-culture sustainability rise in the ashes of disaster.

Proctor and a research team are exploring the phenomenon through interviews with members of utopian communities in Oregon and surveys of the general population. The preliminary polling results point in an intriguing direction. Secular Americans who regard nature as inherently sacred (a cohort that could include 20% of the population or more) identify strongly with concepts of an environmentalist utopia. And those who yearn for green perfection often struggle with expectations of its dark-side twin: “dystopian” doom.

“You find that people working for a utopian future have tremendous fear about things turning out differently,” Proctor explains. “Utopias are often framed against a dystopian nightmare,” he adds, producing a kind of all-or-nothing fixation on perfection and its perfect opposite.

Reality, in truth, is usually grayer and messier. Wind turbines, for instance, can certainly mar pristine views and wildlife habitat, and concerns of precisely that sort have been raised against wind-power farms in the Mojave Desert and elsewhere. Is the regrettable blemish a worthwhile price to pay to advance green energy?

As the dilemma suggests, maybe we should spend less time and angst on utopias and doomsdays and focus on the less dramatic question: Short of perfect, how do we make things simply better?

In certain conservative Christian circles, the rapture is viewed with something approaching gleeful excitement. As one devotee told CBS in a 2004 report on evangelical America, “I think (the rapture) would be really cool.”

I suppose – if you find something “cool” about untold millions stranded on a doomed earth and left to endure hellish suffering and death on an unprecedented scale.

Those sounding the alarm about ecological end times might not share the happy anticipation of the above-mentioned rapture diviner, but they might have more in common with his lot than they realize: the conviction, in particular, that civilization is hopelessly fallen and deserves whatever doom might be coming our way.

What this moment requires, instead, is acknowledgment of the inevitable uncertainty about where all this is heading, and clear thinking about what’s going to be effective in dealing with it.

Damaging the cause

If history has taught us anything, Jim Proctor notes, it’s the prevalence, and folly, of end-of-the-world predictions. “How many times,” Proctor asks, “have religious figures and others prophesized the end – and then had to revise their predictions when it didn’t happen? And how much less did people listen to them and believe them after that?”

Though fear might seem a good rally-the-masses motivator, it can actually operate in the opposite way, by making the general public cynical and disengaged on one hand, or overwhelmed by fear and fatalism on the other.

Yes, there is plenty to fear these days, and stoking that fear in the quest for supporters, donations and votes is the popular politics of our time.

As he assumes the presidency, Barack Obama would do well to reprise the line of a transformative president from the past century who urged calm and confidence through tough times. As Franklin D. Roosevelt wisely declared, fear itself is what we ought to fear the most. As Roosevelt evidently knew, fear has an uncanny ability to stymie progress.

And, worse yet, to turn its dark visions into self-fulfilling prophecies.

Tom Krattenmaker, who lives in Portland, Ore., specializes in religion in public life and is a member of USA TODAY’s board of contributors. His book on Christianity in professional sports will be published in the spring.

Has God Determined That You Are Already Dead?

From Genesis, Chapter 6, vs. 13 thru 22, American Standard Version:

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. ^6:14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. ^6:15And this is how thou shalt make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. ^6:16A light shalt thou make to the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it upward; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. ^6:17And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon this earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is in the earth shall die. ^6:18But I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee. ^6:19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. ^6:20Of the birds after their kind and of the cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. ^6:21And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. ^6:22Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”

We all know the story of Noah and the Ark. God caused a great flood to occur, killing every one on earth while only Noah and his family survived, with two of every animal, seven of certain animals.

Interestingly, the Jehovah’s Witness rag, The Watchtower, 4/15/05, page 4 says this of Noah:

 ”According to the Bible, the Creator will soon transform the earth into a literal paradise, which will favor long life. Bringing about that Paradise will involve drastic action, similar to that of the Flood of Noah’s day. Matthew chapter 24, verses 37 to 39, shows that Jesus compared our time with “the days of Noah,” in which people “took no note” of their critical situation. They also ignored the message that Noah preached. Then came “the day that Noah entered into the ark” and the Flood destroyed all who had rejected this knowledge. Noah and those with him in the ark remained alive.”

 The Witnesses directly contradict the above Watchtower in another Witness publication, “Insight on the Scriptures” as regards Noah preaching:

The “Insight on the Scriptures” Vol 2, page 674 quotes Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words says: “In I Pet. 3:19 the probable reference is, not to glad tidings (which there is no real evidence that Noah preached, nor is there evidence that the spirits of antediluvian people are actually ‘in prison’), but to the act of Christ after His resurrection in proclaiming His victory to fallen angelic spirits.” (1981, Vol. 3, p. 201)”

So did Noah preach a warning of the flood or not? Who knows? The Jo Ho’s say yes and no. As a side point you may wonder why I bring this up at all. Well, since Jehovah’s Witnesses the only organization on earth that understands the “deep things of God”, they shouldn’t publish contradictory views:

Watchtower 7/1/73, pg 402

Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning. Yet God’s people can comprehend such spiritual things. Why? Not because of special intelligence on their part, but as the apostle Paul declared: “For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.” (1 Cor. 2:10) Jesus Christ praised his heavenly Father for ‘hiding such things from the wise and intellectual ones but revealing them to babes.’ (Matt. 11:25) How very much true Christians appreciate associating with the only organization on earth that understands the “deep things of God”!

Sorry. I’m just “poking the Jo Ho’s” It’s my hobby. Hey, everyone needs a hobby.

The point here is that, early on, God gave Noah specific instructions on how to build the ark, how big it would be and what provisions to take on board.

God had already decided that only Noah and his family would survive the flood, and no on else. The plans he gave Noah had no room for anyone else. It’s likely that it took years to build the ark and yet the Bible indicates that Noah did not preach about the coming doom. Notwithstanding that the Witnesses say “Noah preached”, it would seem logical that of the thousands of people alive, surely some would noticed Noah building the Ark, asked him about it and wanted to join him.

The point, however is moot. God had already decided on the Arks dimensions, and thus it’s capacity to carry passengers. God had predestined the people of Noah’s day to die. He made no room for them on the Ark.

Sorry, no room for you. We only have so many suites. All booked.

So what was the point of the whole flood thing? Kill all the evil people and start over? Just kill them. Why the cataclysmic earth wide flood? By simple reasoning, by the fact that the Bible says only eight people survived and were in the ark and that God’s original blueprints called for the accommodation of just eight “souls” God already knew the outcome.

This raises the obvious question, “Has God already decided who will go to heaven/live forever/whatever?”

He obviously did in Noah’s day.