It’s ashame you let you wealth of knowledge be polluted by religon.

I nhaving trouble convincing anyone of anything. My blog is my opinion and one shared by many. However, I don’t give a shit what you believ or think.

So basically your point is that The US Govt. should and in fact does embrace Christianity as the State Religion?

The fact is that you cannot separate a person from his religion. On the personal level, he acts in accordance with his beliefs. Anyone, including the above who force their religous beliefs to influence government policy are wrong.

Unfortunatly, “Christian values” have and do infect our government and laws.

And Christian assholes like you will not stop trying to force the government to shove your beliefs down everyones throat.

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” –Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21

“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.” –Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

Fucking asshole Christians.

“My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God.” JOHN QUINCY ADAMS John Adams and John Quincy Adams, The Selected Writings of John and John Quincy Adams, Adrienne Koch and William Peden, editors (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1946), p. 292, John Quincy Adams to John Adams, January 3, 1817.
“Now to the triune God, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, be ascribed all honor and dominion, forevermore—Amen.” GUNNING BEDFORD, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION Gunning Bedford, Funeral Oration Upon the Death of General George Washington (Wilmington: James Wilson, 1800), p. 18.
“[T]he religion I have [is] to love and fear God, believe in Jesus Christ, do all the good to my neighbor, and myself that I can, do as little harm as I can help, and trust on God’s mercy for the rest.” DANIEL BOONE, REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; LEGISLATOR
Rolla P. Andrae, A True, Brief History of Daniel Boone (Defiance, MO: Daniel Boone Home, 1985), p. 59, to Sarah Boone in October 1816.
“You have been instructed from your childhood in the knowledge of your lost state by nature—the absolute necessity of a change of heart, and an entire renovation of soul to the image of Jesus Christ—of salvation thro’ His meritorious righteousness only—and the indispensable necessity of personal holiness without which no man shall see the Lord.” ELIAS BOUDINOT, PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS (TO HIS DAUGHTER SUSAN BOUDINOT) Letters of the Delegates to Congress: 1774-1789, Paul H. Smith, editor (Washington, D. C.: Library of Congress, 1992), Vol. XIX, p. 325, from a letter of Elias Boudinot to his daughter, Susan Boudinot, on October 30, 1782; see also, Elias Boudinot, The Life Public Services, Addresses, and Letters of Elias Boudinot, LL.D., President of Continental Congress (Boston and New York: Houghton, Mifflin, and Company, 1896), Vol. I, p. 260-262.
“[D]on’t forget to be a Christian. I have said much to you on this head and I hope an indelible impression is made.” JACOB BROOM, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION From an autographed letter in our possession written by Jacob Broom to his son, James, on February 24, 1794, from Wilmington, Delaware.
“On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on his merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to his precepts.” CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.
“For my part, I am free and ready enough to declare that I think the Christian religion is a Divine institution; and I pray to God that I may never forget the precepts of His religion or suffer the appearance of an inconsistency in my principles and practice.” JAMES IREDELL, U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE James Iredell, The Papers of James Iredell, Don Higginbotham, editor (Raleigh: North Carolina Division of Archives and History, 1976), Vol. I, p. 11 from his 1768 essay on religion.
“I . . . am endeavoring . . . to attend to my own duty only as a Christian. . . . let us take care that our Christianity, though put to the test . . . be not shaken, and that our love for things really good wax not cold.” WILLIAM SAMUEL JOHNSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION Edwards Beardsley, Life and Times of William Samuel Johnson (Boston: Houghton, Mifflin and Company, 1886), p. 184.
“My object in telling you this is that if anything happens to me you might know, and perhaps it would console you to remember, that on this point my mind is clear; I rest my hopes of salvation on the Lord Jesus Christ.” JAMES KENT, FATHER OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE James Kent, Memoirs and Letters of James Kent, William Kent, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1898), p. 277
“[M]ay I always hear that you are following the guidance of that blessed Spirit that will lead you into all truth, leaning on that Almighty arm that has been extended to deliver you, trusting only in the only Saviour, and going on in your way to Him rejoicing.” FRANCIS SCOTT KEY, ATTORNEY; AUTHOR OF THE “STAR SPANGLED BANNER” Hugh A. Garland, The Life of John Randolph of Roanoke (New York: D. Appleton & Company, 1853), Vol. II, p. 104, from Francis Scott Key to John Randolph.
“I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Saviour and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.” ROBERT TREAT PAINE, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen T. Riley and Edward W. Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.
“Pardon, we beseech Thee, all our offences of omission and commission; and grant that in all our thoughts, words, and actions, we may conform to Thy known will manifested in our consciences, and in the revelations of Jesus Christ our Saviour.” TIMOTHY PICKERING, REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; SECRETARY OF STATE Charles W. Upham, The Life of Timothy Pickering (Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1873), Vol. IV, p. 390, from his prayer of November 30, 1828.
“I am at last reconciled to my God and have assurance of His pardon through faith in Christ, against which the very gates of hell cannot prevail. Fear hath been driven out by perfect love.” JOHN RANDOLPH OF ROANOKE, U. S. CONGRESSMAN; U. S. DIPLOMAT Garland, Vol. II, p. 99, to Francis Scott Key on September 7, 1818.
“My only hope of salvation is in the infinite transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of his Son upon the Cross. Nothing but his blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!” BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George W. Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166.
“I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy Him. . . . I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead and a final judgment of all mankind when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment.” ROGER SHERMAN, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273.
“Jesus Christ has in the clearest manner inculcated those duties which are productive of the highest moral felicity and consistent with all the innocent enjoyments, to which we are impelled by the dictates of nature. Religion, when fairly considered in its genuine simplicity and uncorrupted state, is the source of endless rapture and delight.” ZEPHANIAH SWIFT, AUTHOR OF AMERICA’S FIRST LEGAL TEXT Swift, Correspondent, p. 135.
“[Pray t]hat God would graciously pour out His Spirit upon us and make the blessed Gospel in His hand effectual to a thorough reformation and general revival of the holy and peaceful religion of Jesus Christ.” JONATHAN TRUMBULL, GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT By the Honourable Jonathan Trumbull, Esq; Governor of the English Colony of Connecticut, in New-England, in America. A Proclamation. New Haven, 12th Day of October, 1770.
“I shall now conclude my discourse by preaching this Savior to all who hear me, and entreating you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for “there is no salvation in any other” [Acts 4:12]. . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.” JOHN WITHERSPOON, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, p. 276, 278, “The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ,” January 2, 1758.
THE ROLE OF RELIGION IN EDUCATION

“You have . . . received a public education, the purpose whereof hath been to qualify you the better to serve your Creator and your country. . . . Your first great duties, you are sensible, are those you owe to Heaven, to your Creator and Redeemer. Let these be ever present to your minds, and exemplified in your lives and conduct.” WILLIAM SAMUEL JOHNSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION Edwards Beardsley, Life and Times of William Samuel Johnson (Boston: Houghton, Mifflin and Company, 1886), pp. 141-142.
“As piety, religion and morality have a happy influence on the minds of men, in their public as well as private transactions, you will not think it unseasonable, although I have frequently done it, to bring to your remembrance the great importance of encouraging our University, town schools, and other seminaries of education, that our children and youth while they are engaged in the pursuit of useful science, may have their minds impressed with a strong sense of the duties they owe to their God.” SAMUEL ADAMS. Samuel Adams, The Writings of Samuel Adams, Harry Alonzo Cushing, editor (New York: G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1908), Vol. IV, p. 401, to the Legislature of Massachusetts on January 27, 1797.
“If we continue to be a happy people, that happiness must be assured by the enacting and executing of the reasonable and wise laws expressed in the plainest language and by establishing such modes of education as tend to inculcate in the minds of youth the feelings and habits of ‘piety, religion and morality.’” SAMUEL Adams. Samuel Adams, Writings, Vol. IV, p. 371, to the Legislature of Massachusetts on January 16, 1795.
“[E]ducation. . . . leads the youth beyond mere outside show [and] will impress their minds with a profound reverence of the Deity. . . . It will excite in them a just regard to Divine revelation.” SAMUEL Adams. William V. Wells, The Life and Public Services of Samuel Adams (Boston: Little, Brown, and Company, 1865), Vol. III, p. 327, to the Legislature of Massachusetts on January 17, 1794.
“[R]eason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. . . . Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge.” GEORGE WASHINGTON
George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge, 1796), pp. 22-23.
“Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God.” GOUVERNEUR MORRIS, PENMAN AND SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION. Jared Sparks, The Life of Gouverneur Morris (Boston: Gray and Bowen, 1832), Vol. III, p. 483, from his “Notes on the Form of a Constitution for France.”
“[T]he only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” BENJAMIN RUSH. Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Thomas and Samuel F. Bradford, 1798), p. 8, “On the Mode of Education Proper in a Republic.”
“Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind.” BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION. Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L. H. Butterfield, editor (Princeton, New Jersey: American Philosophical Society, 1951), Vol. I, p. 294, to John Armstrong on March 19, 1783; see also James Henry Morgan, Dickinson College: The History of One Hundred and Fifty Years 1783-1933 (Carlisle, PA: Dickinson College, 1933), p. 11.
“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed. . . . No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” NOAH WEBSTERNoah Webster, A Collection of Papers on Political, Literary, and Moral Subjects (New York: Webster and Clark, 1843), p. 291, from his “Reply to a Letter of David McClure on the Subject of the Proper Course of Study in the Girard College, Philadelphia. New Haven, October 25, 1836.”
“The attainment of knowledge does not comprise all which is contained in the larger term of education. . . . [A] profound religious feeling is to be instilled and pure morality inculcated under all circumstances. All this is comprised in education.” DANIEL WEBSTER. Daniel Webster, The Works of Daniel Webster (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1853), Vol. II, pp. 107-108, remarks to the ladies of Richmond, October 5, 1840.
“Why may not the Bible, and especially the New Testament, without note or comment, be read and taught as Divine revelation in the college [school]—its general precepts expounded, its evidences explained and its glorious principles of morality inculcated? . . . Where can the purest principles of morality be learned so clearly or so perfectly as from the New Testament?” JOSEPH STORY, U. S. SUPREME COURT, FATHER OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE Vidal v. Girard’s Executors, 43 U. S. 126, 200 (1844).
“I cannot omit this occasion of inviting your attention to the means of instruction for the rising generation. To enable them to perceive and duly to estimate their rights; to inculcate correct principles and habits of morality and religion, and thus to render them useful citizens, a competent provision for their education is all essential.” DANIEL TOMPKINS, GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK; VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE U. S. The Speeches of the Different Governors to the Legislature of the State of New York, Commencing with Those of George Clinton and Continued Down to the Present Time (Albany: J. B. Van Steenbergh, 1825), p. 108, Governor Daniel Tompkins on January 30, 1810.
THE IMPORTANCE OF RELIGION IN GOVERNMENT
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“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” GEORGE WASHINGTON. Washington, Address . . . Preparatory to His Declination, pp. 22-23.
“The great pillars of all government and of social life . . . [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible.” PATRICK HENRY. Moses Coit Tyler, Patrick Henry (New York: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1897), p. 409, to Archibald Blair on January 8, 1799.
“One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations. . . . I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.” JOSEPH STORY, U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE; FATHER OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE. Joseph Story, Life and Letters of Joseph Story, William W. Story, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. II, pp. 8, 92.
“We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. James Madison, The Papers of James Madison, Henry D. Gilpin, editor (Washington: Langtree & O’Sullivan, 1840), Vol. II, p. 985, June 28, 1787.
“[T]he Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth. . . . [and] laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” JOHN QUINCY ADAMSJohn Quincy Adams, An Oration Delivered Before the Inhabitants of the Town of Newburyport at Their Request on the Sixty-First Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1837 (Newburyport: Charles Whipple, 1837), pp. 5-6.
“[T]he Christian religion—its general principles—must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.” DANIEL WEBSTER. Daniel Webster, Mr. Webster’s Speech in Defence of the Christian Ministry and in Favor of the Religious Instruction of the Young. Delivered in the Supreme Court of the United States, February 10, 1844, in the Case of Stephen Girard’s Will (Washington: Printed by Gales and Seaton, 1844), p. 41.
“True religion always enlarges the heart and strengthens the social tie.” JOHN WITHERSPOON. John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, p. 272, “The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ,” January 2, 1758.
“Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.” JAMES MADISON. James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Presented to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia at their Session in 1785 in Consequence of a Bill Brought into that Assembly for the Establishment of Religion (Massachusetts: Isaiah Thomas, 1786), p. 4.
“The study and practice of law . . . does not dissolve the obligations of morality or of religion.” 8-77 JOHN ADAMS. John Adams, Works, Vol. II, p. 31, from his diary entry for Sunday, August 22, 1756.
“I have always considered Christianity as the strong ground of republicanism. . . . It is only necessary for republicanism to ally itself to the Christian religion to overturn all the corrupted political and religious institutions in the world.” 8-78 BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION. Rush, Letters, Vol. II, pp. 820-821, to Thomas Jefferson on August 22, 1800.
“[T]he religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and his apostles. . . . and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.” NOAH WEBSTERNoah Webster, History, p. 300, 578.
“[N]ational prosperity can neither be attained nor preserved without the favor of Providence. JOHN JAY, ORIGINAL CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE U. S. SUPREME COURT.” Speeches of the . . . Governors . . . of New York, p. 47, Governor John Jay on January 6, 1796.
“As guardians of the prosperity, liberty, and morals of the State, we are therefore bound by every injunction of patriotism and wisdom . . . to patronize public improvements and to cherish all institutions for the diffusion of religious knowledge and for the promotion of virtue and piety.” 8-81 DANIEL TOMPKINS, GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK; VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Speeches of the . . . Governors . . . of New York, p. 136, Governor Daniel Tompkins on November 5, 1816.

They simply mention that Jefferson did at times entertain religious leaders.

There was and is no sweeping change of the generally scholarly view, still held by the vast majority that Jefferson opposed State sponsered religion, which is the thrust of Debord’s research and subsequent claims.

Religious assholes like you will continue to assert and attempt to force you flawed religious views on the rest of us.

“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.”

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)

“The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

There are hundreds of such Jefferson quotes.

So, you fuck head Christian asshole, Jefferson despised religion.

He did not leave a “gate” in the wall separating church and state” as that fuck head Debord claims.

Christians in charge is as bad as Muslims.

You also have not studied Jefferson very well either, nor seem to understand his concept of separation except through modern lenses looking back. Believe it or not, Chuck Norris wrote a great column on Jefferson and modern misinterpretations of Jefferson’s views of separation http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55566