Comments on: Another Disillusioned Jehovah’s Witness Quits after Learning the Jo Ho’s Are Bullshit. http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/ Written by an Ex - Jehovah's Witness, for those who believe in God, but not Religion. An argument for the abolition of all Organized Religion and an indictment of Organized Religion for all the suffering, exploitation and misery it has thrust upon the human race. An exposure of the hypocrisy of Organized Religion which in fact causes division and human suffering on an unimaginable scale. Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:25:43 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: isnrblog http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-658 isnrblog Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:11:55 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-658 Dan, no religion has the truth. Ask yourself why there has to be a true religion. Says who? Often JW's will say to me "Well, you still knwo it's the Truth, right?" as if they need some assurance. No, I don't know "its The Truth". Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the truth, are not the true religion and in fact seem to be confused bumblers. Think about it. They predicted with absolute certainty that Armageddon would cone 6 times in the 20th Century: 1914 - "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of 1914." (The Time is at Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99) Note: this same statement was contained in the 1908 edition of the same book. End of WW1: “The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures (Revelation 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world”. (Pastor Russell's Sermons, 1915, p. 676) In the same year (1915), 1925 - “The period must end in 1925 . . . [This date] is definitely fixed in the Scriptures. Every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. The scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of Satan's empire and the full establishment of the Messianic kingdom . . . Therefore, it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die”. (Golden Age, January 4, 1922, p. 217) 1975 - Watchtower, October 15, 1969 pages 622 and 623: "More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind's life on earth would end in the mid-seventies…. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind's laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath." Notice the use of the definite article “the”. It would be “the fitting time”, not “a fitting time” not “an appropriate time” but “THE FITTING TIME”, to the exclusion of all other times. “Yes, Indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath”. Not “might be”, not “could be”, but “WILL BE”. • End of the 20th Century - Again in 1971, they said it would come in the 20th century: ”Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin”. From: The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How? 1971 p. 216” Within the life span of the 1914 generation: Watchtower, 7/1/69 pg395: “People who were only just old enough to understand what was happening to the world in 1914 are now approaching seventy years of age. Yes, the numbers of that generation are dwindling fast, but before they all pass away this system must meet its end in the war of Armageddon.” None of the above happened and the 1914 thing is wrong. My whole life was spent looking through the 1914/Gen paradigm. And they fucking CHANGED IT!! Geez, Dan, it confuses the shit out of me. But there are some absolutes. One is that God would not bullshit us. The JW's did. In fact, all religions are full of shit. Man, I don't have answers. I only know what I see as bullshit. I don't understand JW's who leave and go to another religion. Some just consider themselves just Christians. As for me, I can only go as far as being fairly certain that there is intelligent design. After that I got nothing. But the thing is, Dan, I am glad to be out of the JW whole religion thing. Dan, no religion has the truth.

Ask yourself why there has to be a true religion. Says who? Often JW’s will say to me “Well, you still knwo it’s the Truth, right?” as if they need some assurance. No, I don’t know “its The Truth”. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the truth, are not the true religion and in fact seem to be confused bumblers. Think about it. They predicted with absolute certainty that Armageddon would cone 6 times in the 20th Century:

1914 – “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of 1914.” (The Time is at Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99) Note: this same statement was contained in the 1908 edition of the same book.

End of WW1: “The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures (Revelation 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world”. (Pastor Russell’s Sermons, 1915, p. 676) In the same year (1915),

1925 – “The period must end in 1925 . . . [This date] is definitely fixed in the Scriptures. Every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. The scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of Satan’s empire and the full establishment of the Messianic kingdom . . . Therefore, it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die”. (Golden Age, January 4, 1922, p. 217)

1975 – Watchtower, October 15, 1969 pages 622 and 623:

“More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid-seventies…. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath.”

Notice the use of the definite article “the”. It would be “the fitting time”, not “a fitting time” not “an appropriate time” but “THE FITTING TIME”, to the exclusion of all other times. “Yes, Indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath”. Not “might be”, not “could be”, but “WILL BE”.

• End of the 20th Century – Again in 1971, they said it would come in the 20th century: ”Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin”. From: The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah – How? 1971 p. 216”

Within the life span of the 1914 generation: Watchtower, 7/1/69 pg395:

“People who were only just old enough to understand what was happening to the world in 1914 are now approaching seventy years of age. Yes, the numbers of that generation are dwindling fast, but before they all pass away this system must meet its end in the war of Armageddon.”

None of the above happened and the 1914 thing is wrong.

My whole life was spent looking through the 1914/Gen paradigm. And they fucking CHANGED IT!!

Geez, Dan, it confuses the shit out of me. But there are some absolutes. One is that God would not bullshit us. The JW’s did. In fact, all religions are full of shit.

Man, I don’t have answers. I only know what I see as bullshit.

I don’t understand JW’s who leave and go to another religion. Some just consider themselves just Christians. As for me, I can only go as far as being fairly certain that there is intelligent design. After that I got nothing.

But the thing is, Dan, I am glad to be out of the JW whole religion thing.

]]> By: Dan the Confused http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-652 Dan the Confused Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:05:42 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-652 I guess I'm just going through some major confusion right now. I was raised a witness, went to bethel, and now am feeling disillusioned and confused as to what to do next. I've always felt like I was one step behind everyone else and I just couldn't keep up. But I also fear that I am falling into the traps that they always warn us about. What do you do? I'm SO on the fence about everything right now. One thing I do know, other religions don't have the "truth" either. I dont understand those that leave the JW and become pentacostal or something. I guess I’m just going through some major confusion right now. I was raised a witness, went to bethel, and now am feeling disillusioned and confused as to what to do next. I’ve always felt like I was one step behind everyone else and I just couldn’t keep up. But I also fear that I am falling into the traps that they always warn us about. What do you do? I’m SO on the fence about everything right now.

One thing I do know, other religions don’t have the “truth” either. I dont understand those that leave the JW and become pentacostal or something.

]]> By: isnrblog http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-650 isnrblog Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:55:31 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-650 Wow, you have some anger. But I say, let it out. I have seen your scenario play out in many Witness families. Sad ut true. Hey, I wish you the best! Wow, you have some anger. But I say, let it out.

I have seen your scenario play out in many Witness families. Sad ut true.

Hey, I wish you the best!

]]> By: isnrblog http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-649 isnrblog Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:54:09 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-649 Dan, I don't know what God's truth is. However, I know what it isn't. As a JW for 50 years I now understand that I not only was fed lies, I repeated them and made a few converts. JW's quit all the time for the same reasons I did. It sounds like you were or are a JW and confused. I supposed if I was searching for "God's Truth" i wouldbe confused. After years of reading and researching, I have found nothing that indicates what it is. But, like I said, I know it ain't the Jo Ho's. Dan, I don’t know what God’s truth is. However, I know what it isn’t. As a JW for 50 years I now understand that I not only was fed lies, I repeated them and made a few converts.

JW’s quit all the time for the same reasons I did. It sounds like you were or are a JW and confused.

I supposed if I was searching for “God’s Truth” i wouldbe confused. After years of reading and researching, I have found nothing that indicates what it is.

But, like I said, I know it ain’t the Jo Ho’s.

]]> By: Dan The Confused http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-648 Dan The Confused Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:31:32 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-648 Well...here is my problem. I have been researching this stuff for a while. The material in some of these quotes is exactly what has been repeated for the past 10-20 years. What is sad is that some that are honestly confused, like me, and are really interested in what is really the truth. Those that promote lies and half truths are just as bad as the ones that have mislead honest hearted ones for generations. I am so ashamed. As if there were really a group of people that really knew what the truth was. At least just say that you don't know what to believe. That at least would be respectful of God and his teachings! Well…here is my problem. I have been researching this stuff for a while. The material in some of these quotes is exactly what has been repeated for the past 10-20 years. What is sad is that some that are honestly confused, like me, and are really interested in what is really the truth. Those that promote lies and half truths are just as bad as the ones that have mislead honest hearted ones for generations. I am so ashamed. As if there were really a group of people that really knew what the truth was. At least just say that you don’t know what to believe. That at least would be respectful of God and his teachings!

]]> By: moonbeam http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-572 moonbeam Fri, 22 May 2009 01:11:23 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-572 OK. I JUST HAD TO WRITE. IM A 55 YROLD WOMAN WHOSE AUNT IS ONE OF JW. AS A CHILD I HAD PROBLEMS AND MY AUNT TOOK ME TOO THE MEETINGS.MY MOM WHO WAS HER SIS,WAS ACCORDING TO HER WAS LOST. YES MY MOM HAD PROBLEMS, BUT SHE AS A WITNESS SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO HELP HER OLDER SISTER.BUT NOOOOO,BECAUSE MY MOTHER'S PROBLEMS WOULD HAVE EMBARASSED HER.ANY WAY SHE REARED 7 KIDS IN THIS CULT, AND EVERYONE OF HER KIDS HAD PROBLEMS FROM, DRUGS, ALCHOLOL,HOMOSEXUALITY,CRIMINAL RECORDS, STD,I USED TO GO WITH HER TO THE MEETINGS JUST TO GET AWAY FROM MY PROBLEMS. ANY WAY TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,SHE DISTANCED HERSELF FROM MY SIS AND ME WHEN MY MOTHER DIED,AND I WAS PREGGERS AND SHE REFUSED TO TAKE ME IN AT THE TIME I WAS 17 BECAUSE,"I WOULD BE AN EMBARRASSEMENT TO HER RELIGION. Jehovas witnesses. what else i want to say is too long, but,i know this is not what THE MOST HIGH wanted. they are THE TRUE FALSE RELIGION THAT THEY ALWAYS PREACH ABOUT. OK. I JUST HAD TO WRITE. IM A 55 YROLD WOMAN WHOSE AUNT IS ONE OF JW. AS A CHILD I HAD PROBLEMS AND MY AUNT TOOK ME TOO THE MEETINGS.MY MOM WHO WAS HER SIS,WAS ACCORDING TO HER WAS LOST. YES MY MOM HAD PROBLEMS, BUT SHE AS A WITNESS SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO HELP HER OLDER SISTER.BUT NOOOOO,BECAUSE MY MOTHER’S PROBLEMS WOULD HAVE EMBARASSED HER.ANY WAY SHE REARED 7 KIDS IN THIS CULT, AND EVERYONE OF HER KIDS HAD PROBLEMS FROM, DRUGS, ALCHOLOL,HOMOSEXUALITY,CRIMINAL RECORDS, STD,I USED TO GO WITH HER TO THE MEETINGS JUST TO GET AWAY FROM MY PROBLEMS. ANY WAY TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,SHE DISTANCED HERSELF FROM MY SIS AND ME WHEN MY MOTHER DIED,AND I WAS PREGGERS AND SHE REFUSED TO TAKE ME IN AT THE TIME I WAS 17 BECAUSE,”I WOULD BE AN EMBARRASSEMENT TO HER RELIGION. Jehovas witnesses. what else i want to say is too long, but,i know this is not what THE MOST HIGH wanted. they are THE TRUE FALSE RELIGION THAT THEY ALWAYS PREACH ABOUT.

]]> By: Leo http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-565 Leo Fri, 08 May 2009 00:12:56 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-565 Oh, and btw I hope no one is holding his or her breath on that end of the world thing. Although there will be changes in the church, not much is going to happen until 2075. You might consider me another crazy, but the church will get a major house cleaning. since neither God nor Jesus wanted a church, not to mention that Paul really royally screwed up the works. It's to bad I won't see it in this lfetime, perhaps in my next. Leo Oh, and btw I hope no one is holding his or her breath on that end of the world thing. Although there will be changes in the church, not much is going to happen until 2075. You might consider me another crazy, but the church will get a major house cleaning.
since neither God nor Jesus wanted a church, not to mention that Paul really royally screwed up the works. It’s to bad I won’t see it in this lfetime, perhaps in my next.
Leo

]]> By: Leo http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-564 Leo Thu, 07 May 2009 23:54:53 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-564 You're welcome, I love that crap. I saw the article and thoght of you. Just had to forward it. Leo You’re welcome, I love that crap. I saw the article and thoght of you. Just had to forward it.
Leo

]]> By: isnrblog http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-552 isnrblog Sun, 03 May 2009 18:20:11 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-552 By who or what? It's an interesting point. In the same vein, there is a lot of wealth held by the Watchtower Society, but I never saw any indication theu were in it for the money. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out they are or that some one or group is getting rich. By who or what? It’s an interesting point.

In the same vein, there is a lot of wealth held by the Watchtower Society, but I never saw any indication theu were in it for the money.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out they are or that some one or group is getting rich.

]]> By: isnrblog http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/another-disillusioned-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-quits-after-learning-the-jo-ho%e2%80%99s-are-bullshit/#comment-551 isnrblog Sun, 03 May 2009 18:16:59 +0000 http://isnrblog.wordpress.com/?p=359#comment-551 Thanks, man. Glad you made it out! Best wishes! Thanks, man.

Glad you made it out! Best wishes!

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