Jehovah’s Witness and Bible thumpers like to continually harp on the scientific accuracy of the Bible as proof it was written by God. In an earlier post, I debunked the notion that the bible said the Earth was round before science proved it and when most people though it was flat, a little biblical factoid the Witnesses like to crow about.
Recently I was on a JW Q&A, where as per usual, I stir shit up. It’s a gift. I asked if Jesus was wrong when he said in Mark 4:31:
“Like a mustard grain, which at the time it was sown in the ground was the tiniest of all the seeds that are on the earth” New World Translation.
The American Standard Version says: “It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown upon the earth, though it be less than all the seeds that are upon the earth,”
The New English Bible says “It is like a mustard seed that when sown in the ground, even though it is the smallest of all the seeds in the ground”
The King James Version says: “is less than all the seeds that be in the earth”.
The New Jerusalem Bible says “It is like a mustard seed which, at the time of its sowing, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth.
“The Catholic Douay Version says: ” It is as a grain of mustard seed: which when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that are in the earth:”
Jesus was apparently using the illustration that good things can come from a very small beginning, or something like that. His point is irrelevant. The real point is the glaring scientific inaccuracy of his statement. In fact the mustard seed in not the tiniest, smallest or “less” than all the seeds “in the earth”, “on earth” or “upon the earth”. Since they are some of the loudest Bible pounders, I’ll let the Jehovah’s Witnesses elaborate.“So Jesus was not “teaching a lesson in botany.” Well, In Isaiah, Chap 20 where the Witnesses point to God looking at the “circle” of the earth as proof the bible is scientifically accurate, is God there giving an Astronomy lesson? I’ve already debunked that piece of disinformation, but they jump on it as proof of the Bible’s authorship.
From the Watchtower of 5/15/92, page 5:
Botany: Some wrongly conclude that the Bible is inaccurate because Jesus Christ spoke of “a mustard grain” as “the tiniest of all the seeds.” (Mark 4:30-32) Likely, Jesus meant the seed of the black mustard plant (Brassica nigra or Sinapis nigra), which is only about 0.039 to 0.063 inch [1 to 1.6 mm] in diameter. Though there are smaller seeds, such as fine-as-powder seeds of the orchid, Jesus was not talking to people who grew orchids. Those Galilean Jews knew that of the various types of seeds sown by local farmers, the mustard seed was the tiniest. Jesus was talking about the Kingdom, not teaching a lesson in botany.
Is the fact the that he was “not teaching a lesson in botany” give him license to state a provable unscientific fact? What would be the point? Jesus was wrong. The mustard seed is not the smallest seed in creation. The seed of the orchid is. But God and/or God’s son, (choose your own theology) didn’t know this fact or chose to state a scientific inaccuracy. He could have said the mustard sees is “one of the smallest”, is “among” the smallest or that it simply “is very small”. His audience would have gotten the sense of his illustration. It was not important for him to say “It is like a mustard seed which, at the time of its sowing, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth.” The fact that it was very small and recognized for being so by his audience would have been sufficient for him to make his point. He didn’t say that. He said the smallest seed in creation. Science proves otherwise.
Jesus was wrong.The brain dead, delusional religious morons on the Q&A responded as expected. In order to believe in and have faith in things you cannot see, you have to suspend your ability to think critically, analytically and logically. No where was this more apparent than in the responses to my post.“You’re nit picking!!” they cried, accusatorily wagging the cyber finger of divine justice in my face. Hey, I didn’t say Jesus was God/God’s son and thus perfect and all knowing, they did. I don’t believe the Bible is God’s word or that Jesus ever lived. But, if he is wrong, just once he is not, by definition perfect. He was wrong. Don’t kill the messenger. Explain the verse, answer the question.
“It’s not important. It’s the message”. Bullshit, it is important, it’s very important. If the opposite was true, you can bet your ass the JW’s and every other delusional Bible thumper would be screeching about how the Bible was so scientifically accurate. “How could Jesus know that the, mustard seed was the smallest in the whole earth unless he had that divine knowledge? See, the Bible is from God!!!”
Do you want to talk about nit picking? Get in on the argument about John 1:1. They will argue endlessly over the notion that Jesus was “a” god, or Jesus was “the” God. The nit picking charge, is itself not relevant, as most Bible controversies are, by definition, nit picking. Brilliant men, spend there lives pouring over ancient manuscripts to answer such “nit picky” questions.
“Oh, but you have to take his comment about the mustard seed in context. His audience knew it to be the smallest seed, so it made sense to them”
Well, who is Jesus’ audience? Do Jehovah’s Witnesses and other modern day Christians think of themselves as Jesus audience? Does Jesus talk to you through the pages of the Bible? Was Jesus not capable of thinking ahead and realizing that a future audience, with accurate botanical knowledge may know that indeed the mustard seed is not the smallest seed “in the world”?
Would it not, then in the much broader context, have made sense for the all knowing Jesus to say “one of the smallest seeds in the WHOLE earth? Or, is the Bible, not from God, written by men, who at that time thought the mustard seed indeed was the smallest seed in the whole earth?
If you’re a Christian, you better be able to reconcile in your own mind that Jesus made a provable scientific error here and therefore is not perfect. If you choose to ignore the obvious, than you have surrendered all you critical, logical and analytical thinking skills, to what ever authority figure you’ve attached yourself to. How many Christians who read this will actually think about it, research it and give it an honest appraisal. Few, if any.
Most Christians will dismiss me as a ranting, demon possessed hater of God, whose primary purpose in life is to rob them of their precious relationship with the Almighty, to screw up their chances of salvation. Well, you can rest easy about me. I don’t give a flying fuck what you believe or weather you live or die. In other words, I care as much about you as you do about me.
The real funny thing is that all you hopelessly delusional competing groups of “Christians” think every other group is trying to do what you accuse me of, rob you of your salvation, block your entrance to heaven, turn you against Jesus/God.
And you’re right! To, Jehovah’s Witnesses, if you ain’t one of them, God is going to kill you. The Baptists think all the Witnesses are going to hell. The Catholics, as enunciated by Pope Benedict think all none Catholic Churches are counterfeit. You all think your right and God is going to punish everyone else.
This is a fine kettle of fish, as my old grandma would say.
Hoards of delusional, or worse self delusional assholes, frantically running in circles, trying to please their version of God as given the them by their Authority Figure. Who claims exclusive communication with the Almighty, who incidentally probably failed botany class.
In my fantasy, I picture myself sitting on the periphery of your circle in a beach chair drinking a Corona, watching you all frantically chase after salvation, Occasionally I will put out my foot and trip one of you with a post like the above. It’s just fun to watch you flail and fall face down into the sand.
Religion is such bull shit. I mean , com’on!!!
May 21, 2009 at 1:04 am |
Great post. Jesus made a very human and understandable error. It’s not a big deal except that it shows he was either an imperfect human or the invention of imperfect humans.
August 23, 2009 at 10:30 pm |
Jesus doesn’t make errors. He is the Son of God. We all will be judged.He came to earth so we would be forgiven all our sins, What a great God we ahve. We are not perfect. But God is.
October 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Wow, it is amazing how deep the brainwashing goes with these people. They are nothing but hollow automatons now spouting off about god is perfect and our sins. Don’t they realize “sins” we invented to make sure they were always guilty and needed to come back to the church for some “relief.” It is amazing how 50%+ Americans believe Jesus will come back to earth in their lifetime. See they want the world to end so they can be the ones that were “right.” Loony is one lable to puton this but I think anyone hoping and praying for the worlds end is truly evil.
May 21, 2009 at 4:18 pm |
I agree. If the Bible and/or Jesus is wrong just once, than the book is not perfect.
Perfection is 100%
August 23, 2009 at 10:31 pm |
Jesus is perfect and the bible is 100% true and perfect. It is the word of God
August 28, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Rose,
The Bible is rife with blatant and appalling injustice and intolerance. Do you really agree with that?
The Bible was written by man, and what’s more, it was written by man in a time when people who were writing it down would change things so it reflected their own beliefs.
You can’t honestly believe that man didn’t make errors in writing the Bible. That’s just ridiculous.
October 24, 2009 at 8:42 pm
It’s worse that that. It was written by many men. Celibate men. And then it was revised thousands of times by other celibate men, ripping out whole chapters and rewriting others. It is perhaps the most imperfect literary work in history, with changes put in based on the politics of the time.
October 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm
The bible was not written by god, there are many facts that support this ask any true theologist and they will tell you religion was invented to control the masses.
November 12, 2009 at 5:02 pm
You have got to be kidding me, Rose. You are one of the many totally freaking brainwashed assholes that come from all the churches. They tell everyone who doesn’t go to church and kiss the preachers ass that they are sinners and are going to burn in hell. well, you know what, I am going to live MY life exactly how I want to, and I am SO sick and tired of all the hypocritic and stereotypeing bible thumpers out there basically telling me I am a peiece of shit, my life isn’t worth anything, and that just because they go to church they are so much better than me.
May 23, 2009 at 5:21 pm |
Well, I believe that Jesus was a metaphysician. He was very good at it. He even convinced his followers that he had been nailed to a cross, when in fact it wasn’t even him. He wasn’t about to become a martyr for a system that neither He nor God really wanted. Peter denied that he knew who was being taken away from the garden of Gethsemane , because it wasn’t Jesus.
During that period in history there were many who thought they were the messiah. It was easy to find one to take the place of Jesus. Drug him, hang him on a cross, instant martyr and saviour. Died for our sins? I know what comes next,why was Mary M and Mary the Mother there? They felt sorry for the guy.
Jesus spoke through metaphysical thought. Many of the things were of a metaphysical nature. When he said that “God is within you” thats what he ment. God is not out there somewhere in heaven, he is in everything. Everything you see, touch, feel,smell or think is consciousness and God is that consciousness.
It is complicated but obvious. Am I going to hell? No as there isn’t such a thing. There isn’t any sin either, just some bad karma. On the positive side there is good karma as well.
May 23, 2009 at 7:14 pm |
God thoughts, Leo.
Historically, the Jews were looking for the Messiah about this time. I would think it likely that the biblical Jesus is an amalgum of various messiah characters that actually existed along with some made up shit the Bible writers inserted.
August 23, 2009 at 10:33 pm |
Jesus is the Messiah and all who do not believe will go not to heaven. You can have your opinion, but you will find out you are wrong.Jesus died on the Cross for all our sins.
October 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm |
Yes, the whole “dier for our sins” thing never made sense. I mean it makes sense if you have already parked your intellect as these finatics have done. But what the heck does that mean? god needed a sacrifice in exchange for not sending innocent people to hell anymore? What the hell kind of god is that anyway? Sounds like a pretty bloodthirsty sadistic one to me.
May 23, 2009 at 8:33 pm |
They hurl insults at you because they cannot fathom a world outside of their little “god box”. It takes those qualities or abilities you mentioned to be able to look at this particular argument and say, “you know what? you have a valid point. I need to go over everything I “know” and see if it holds any weight.” … No, critical thought and reasoning skills have left the building, if they were ever there to begin with.
Don’t despair, my friend. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make her drink. I think you get a rush by challenging them. I hope that’s all you’re looking for because it is more courageous to pull back the curtain of Oz (or the matrix) and declare bamboozlement than it is to follow the herd. Most of those you encounter are unable to stand on their own.
Speaking of following the herd … somewhere else on this blog you mentioned the broad and spacious road. They have no clue what that really means. Anytime you can find enough people who think like you to count on both hands or more, you’re on a broad and spacious road. You can’t have a group of, what is it? 6 million? You can’t have that large a group and think you’re on the straight and narrow. And that’s just one direction I can take that in.
Herd … Sheep … they’re proud of being sheep. Poor things get led to the slaughter often; both the animal and the persons identifying with that mindset.
Don’t stop banging the gong, though. Even if 99% of them call you names and walk in the opposite direction, clinging to their security blankets, you’re bound to wake someone up. Someone is bound to say, I can’t take this stupidity anymore.
A quote I found that illustrates this point nicely: (paraphrased and the original person won’t get credit cause I can’t find it) “It is the nature of humans to walk the road forged by others who came before them while throwing rocks at those who forge a different path.”
Blessed Be,
Jaguar Zaji
May 24, 2009 at 8:14 pm |
Good thoughts, Jag!!
May 25, 2009 at 4:33 pm |
Sorry Leo, but what a bunch of bullshit.
No such thing as sin?
So some pervert scum takes and rapes a child and then buries them alive, and that’s not sin?
Take another hit from your bong dude.
May 27, 2009 at 4:17 am |
Dude, God deals with them in his own way. Never did get into drugs, 20 years in the military no way was I going to loose my pension by being stupid. Oh well, nice try on the slam.
Blessings
Leo
May 27, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
I can’t help myself, I have to make another comment. I try very hard to not be judgemental. However it strikes me that narrow minded people often go for the crazy, drug induced, alcohol, demented etc. ploy. When it is something that they don’t understand or dosn’t fit into thier own little reality package. I’m sure you believe in original sin as well as sins of our fathers. So we take the hit for something we ourselves didn’t do! Karma is a much better fit, it’s something that you and you alone are responsible for.
Namaste Brother
Leo
November 12, 2009 at 5:18 pm |
Dude, you sound like my mom.
May 29, 2009 at 11:52 am |
My comments have been awaiting moderation for the past three days. Is this blog now censoring comments?
Is it something I said? My comment was for Bill who thinks I’m some sort of deranged druggie. Since we are into this, I have 2 secular degrees from an acredited university , a Bachelor of Science as well as a Bachelor of Arts. However it is also true that I will have a Bachelor of Divinity from a Metaphysical University within the next 2 months.
November 12, 2009 at 5:20 pm |
What the hell. NO ONE cares how nerdy you are!!! Not all druggies are “deranged”. You say you have never done drugs? So then what the hell would you know about them. You sure as hell don’t get the full affects from reading a textbook. Dumbass!!
June 1, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
isnrblog (& others)-
I found this interesting from this website on “religous statistics”-
Jehovah’s Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah’s Witnesses.
June 1, 2009 at 11:38 pm |
I really didn’t think you would censor my comments or maybe you havn’t gotten around to moderating it. Which is it?
Leo
If my metaphysics is too much just let me know.
June 5, 2009 at 6:02 pm |
I don’t censor any comments. I was just busy. In fact, I wm going to change it so comments do not need approval
June 6, 2009 at 2:30 am |
sorry to be a pain in the ass, however ol’Bill really pissed me off. Of course he is still one of God’s creations and entitled to his opinion. If he would get in touch with his consciousness he might have a better understanding.
There is no sin, no hell and no evil spirits. the only sin or hell is that which you bring upon yourself.
June 16, 2009 at 7:16 am |
Sorry if I offended you Leo, but your arrogance pissed me off. You pass off you beliefs as fact and not just articles of your own faith.
You zeroed in on the insult to deflect the comment I made.
“No such thing as sin?
So some pervert scum takes and rapes a child and then buries them alive, and that’s not sin?”
August 23, 2009 at 10:36 pm |
THere is a hell and there are spirits. Good and bad. I am very spiritual and I have the Holy Spirit in me. I know things b4 they happen. Satan is on the earth.
November 12, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Oh yeah there are spirits, there are ghosts everywhere. LMAO! YOU have the holy spirit in YOU???? I just read that EVERYONE is god’s creation, so that means everyone has the holy spirit in them, right. OR is it just because you, Rose, go to church and kiss god’s and everyone elses ass. That is exactly what I meant in my comment earlier.
June 16, 2009 at 4:45 pm |
I understand as I get really involved in things of a spiritual nature. I have it on good authority that God in fact deals with those who murder both with intent and even those who kill out of self defense. Taking a human life is the one thing that God will not easly forgive. He will not send them to hell as there is no such thing. I know what you’ll say to that, but if you think it through you’ll perhaps see that God created us out of consciousness why would he destroy the things that he gave life to? Makes no sense, hell is simply made up in ones own mind and with the help of the church becomes your reality.
The church uses such nonsese to keep the followers in line. If you do wrong you’ll go to hell. If you don’t tithe you’ll go to hell if you don’t do what we tell you …..well on and on.
We are truly eternal spiritual beings. You know that reincarnation thing. you’ll probably say nay to that as well. Check it out, many things point in that direction, it just goes against our christian upbringing, if you will. We have many opportunities to get it right not just one. If more people believed in reincarnation how many would show up for sunday service?
Obviously this blog caught your attention. So if you are seeking the truth, you might try looking into your inner consciousness and be ready to listen to that quiet voice.
Blessings
July 12, 2009 at 11:10 am |
Hi there
I’m a Christian who came across this post in a search. You make some good points, but here are some more things to consider. I’m not trying to disprove you, but the issue is a little more nuanced than what you present.
- the Greek word for “earth” can be translated “land.” Because of this, many people believe the judgments in Revelation concern the whole world when they only concern the first century Jews and the Roman empire (at least up to chapter 19). It is the Land of Israel that is the focus. So, perhaps a mustard seed was the smallest seed they were familiar with in first century Palestine (I don’t know).
- Jesus was a master orator, and used many figures of speech, and very many direct quotations and subtle allusions from the Old Testament. Compare Matthew 24 with Isaiah 13 for instance. Jesus is calling first century Judaism “Babylon” but most Christians don’t get it. They think Matthew 24 is about the end of the world. It is, but in context (ch 23-25) it is the end of the Jewish world in AD70. So calling a mustard seed the “smallest” is not beyond standard oration when you are making a point. It may even have been common phraseology.
- The JWs and Catholics teach that people are saved by a mixture of faith and works, not just faith. But the Bible teaches that when we believe we are given salvation as a free gift, and the results are good works in our lives. I believe anyone who is trusting in their own goodness has no hope before God. This is why Jesus kept his sharpest condemnations for the religious hypocrites of his day, the ones who maintained a veneer of righteousness but were only after public acclaim and money. He welcomed people who had done wrong but wanted to leave sin behind. And he was condemned for this. True Christianity is freedom, not bondage, but there will always be Pharisees. It’s human nature.
I agree with you that many religious folk are not the brightest. But this applies to people in any worldview camp. If Christians have offended you I am deeply sorry.
If you are interested in a first century interpretation of Jesus’ prophecies, I have plenty of material on my blog and website. I welcome sincere questions. I have probably had most of the same questions myself.
July 12, 2009 at 3:03 pm |
Mike;
Thanks for your comment.
I am sure the mustard seed was perhaps the smallest seed that the people of the time were aware of. But, Jesus made a patently inncorrect statement. You have to consider the fact that if all the Bible says is true, Jesus would have been aware that modern man, with a better understanding of botany, would also be his audience and would know his statement was wrong.
He could have easily said that the mustard seed was “one of” or “among” the smallest seeds and got his point across without making a patently false statement.
I don’t now and did not while a Jehovah’s Witness see where Jesus was a master orator. There are many quotes atributed to him, but nothing outstanding. With the exception of course of those that wer accompanied by some sort of miracle. Again, any of the dialog atributed to Jesus is not extrodinary, no is it provable he even said it or in fact that he ever existed.
Obviously, “Christianity” happened around the first Century and by 325 AD, to keep order in the Empire, Constantine had the Counsil of Nicea where they settled religious issues by merging the relgion of the Romans, with Chritianity and created the state sponsered Catholic Church.
There is no need for you to offer me an appolgy on behalf of other Christians. I respect your right to believe in whatever you wish and appreciate intelligent dialog.
I will ck out your blog. I am very open minded (I know, you can’t tell from my posts) and appreciate well thought out points.
I am not saying I am right/ I am simply saying I don’t know and so far it seems no one else does either.
Thanks again for you comments.
Mike, what is your blog address? If you would post it here so my readers can visit.
Thanks
August 22, 2009 at 9:58 pm |
The bible is not bullshit! We all will be judged. You can have an opinion, but you should read the bible. God is everythihg to me.
November 12, 2009 at 5:28 pm |
OH, a bible thumper just cursed. That just ruined your perfect record. Off to hell with you now. LOL!!! I will now and always have an opinion, and your stupid comments won’t change them. I have read the bible, and it is a total fake.
August 23, 2009 at 4:29 am |
I TOTALY agree – THE BIBLE IS JUST A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!!!
August 24, 2009 at 12:00 am |
I could not have said it better.
August 23, 2009 at 10:27 pm |
I do care about the person who wrote this. He says we don’t care God cares.He says he doesn’t care if pple live or die, but God’s children cares if he lives or dies. Maybe he has had a hard life. But we must all have faith to go through hardships to become stronger and love ourselves as God loves us. Without God I am nothing. The Bible is th etrue word of God. You can have your opinion. THis person who wrote this should really think about what he has written. God will judge all. Satan is on Earth and he will try anything to get us away from almighty God. Bless you who wrote this. Read the word it will change your life. I want eternal salvation. Not to go to hell.
August 24, 2009 at 12:05 am |
Rose,
There is no proof that the Bible is from God or that Jesus ever lived.
Religious people believe in things they could not possibly know.
Religion needs faith because it has no facts.
Try to use reason instead of believing the delusion. Your faith is meaningless as the guys who crashed those planes on 9/11 had undeniable faith.
Does that make them right? Funny, they have the same arguement as you do, also no proof, no facts.
November 22, 2009 at 8:15 am
Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves.
“If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”
Dear brother and sister i will pray for your improvement of faith in god.
Before judge other first look into your life , brother are not slave to sins.you know god gives us the free will.that’s why we are talking like this.But you must understanding the love of god.He has power all his creation but yet he has given us the free will.
thanking you brother.
November 12, 2009 at 5:34 pm |
How do we know YOU are not saten, ROSE???? You can’t proof that, can you? What about evolution? Do you believe in that Rose? I bet you don’t and it’s probably because you are a high maintinence priss who has had nothing go wrong in her life, and the thought of being evolved from monkeys repolses you just as mich as the thought of having wonderful sex with you boyfriend (if you have one) before you are married.
August 28, 2009 at 8:03 pm |
I agree that the Bible is a load of crock. I have nothing against religion or being religious (or spiritual, for that matter), but sometimes I think people’s beliefs can be a bit absurd.
And another thing, I don’t understand how people think nothing of it when they hear that someone believes in God, creationism, and divinity, but would send another person to the loony bin if they said the believed in sorcery. From my point of view, they’re on the same level.
November 12, 2009 at 5:36 pm |
i completely agree. Again, it’s all because bible thumpers think they are SO much better than everyone else when they are NOT!!!
September 23, 2009 at 2:49 am |
I was raised catholic. I went to religion classes till I was 18. If given the choice I never would have gone for a couple of reasons. One, the bible anyone reads today is an edited form. Most people don’t even take the time to really research their own religion, they just follow what they are told to, follow, instead of asking questions. Second, almost every person I have ever met that is catholic is a hypocrite. Deep down people are cold and heartless and really only care about themselves. Whether you talk about others behind their backs, judge those that you have no right to judge (homosexuals, race, gender, ethnic and/or other religious backgrounds, wealth, social class). Do you say anything when others are being picked on? abused? I believe in a God because everything is too complicated in how things are made in the world that it’s just impossible that there isn’t a “creator”. I don’t have much faith in our own people though because there is a lack of humanity in today’s age. But the Bible/God/Jesus is just a scapegoat for people to lean on when they feel guilty about the way they act towards others. You only have yourself to blame in the end and must learn from your mistakes and just confessing your sin and thinking that is enough is complete bs. Our race needs to grow up and be accountable for our own actions without relying on a religion to make us feel better about ourselves. Our race is going nowhere but down…we should be evolving and yet we backtrack. what a waste.
September 26, 2009 at 10:41 pm |
lyndsey, good post.
September 26, 2009 at 9:48 pm |
LOL at rose. All the religious people say that shit about how they can feel the holy spirit. If you really have this “holy spirit” inside you, and he is so perfect, why is your grammar less than perfect? At the article I totally agree. The religinazis claim that the bible is perfect yet there are many imperfections. My gripe with the bible is that it says that humans are imperfect beings full of sin, but the bible is perfect even though it was written by an imperfect being. Also rose, you say that you would be nothing without god. I find that very, very, very depressing. You say everyone needs faith to deal with life, I don’t. Do you know why? Because I can man up and handle the challenges life throws at me. I don’t just take the easy way out and blame it on a red dickhead with a pitchfork and pray to an old ass man with a beard. Also concerning the devil and evil, if god is all powerful why doesn’t he just smite the devil? If god is real then why in the fuck are children suffering in almost every country on earth. WHERE IN THE FUCK IS YOUR GOD THERE? Does he have bigger shit to worry about? Or is it just that Africa is full of non-believers? Why don’t you tell me? God is a disease, thrust upon mankind and created to control people like you. I’m sorry if this seems like a personal attack, I am just so sick of Christians having this BS sense of entitlement. Wake up, there are millions of religions in the world, all have zero real evidence to support them. So guess what? There is only a fractional chance you are right.
September 26, 2009 at 10:46 pm |
LOL, Jimbo.
Poor Rose can’t seem to wrap her deluded mind around “Gee, there is no proof what I believe is true”
Rose, love ya’. My advice:…start…drinking…heavely.
The only thing drinking doesn’t fix is alcohalism.
September 28, 2009 at 6:37 pm |
How can the Bible be perfect if what is said in it cannot be true? It was written as truth according to the state of people’s best knowledge or belief of what was considered to be knowledge at the time. In the Bible it is said that earth is the center of creation and that the Sun revolves around the Earth and all the stars were spread along a “firmament” which was somthing like a blanket in the sky above the Earth which conceals the kingdom of heaven behind it. in the book of Revelations in the Bible it says that this firmament will roll back like a scroll revealing the thrown of God and heaven.
Today we know damned good and well that the stars are giant balls of burning gas and matter that are many even milions of light years away. A lightyear is the is the distance it takes light to travel in a year. It travels at over 186,000 miles per second. Can you even say that in a second?
What I am trying to say here is that the Bible simply cannot be the word of the divine God who is the creator of all creation, because what it says is suppose to be accurately true.
If the Bible is the literal word if God, then God would have to be a lier and the word of God itself is all lies.
September 28, 2009 at 7:30 pm |
I agree Shawn. There are way to many inconsistancies, innacurate scientific statements and such for this to be a book from God.
Also, since 40% of the worlds adult population cannot read, why would an almighty God choose to communicate his will via the written word?
Makes no sense.
October 5, 2009 at 9:29 pm |
You can’t convey that to religious people though, they don’t listen to logic. To them exorcism > internal medicine lol.
October 7, 2009 at 8:13 pm |
I must say this is one of the most intelligent posts about the subject matter I have read. After growing up with religious family members, and witnessing the hypocrisies, I could not be a part of it. I understand people have their “faith” which is fine, but don’t try and back it up with logic. Religion is all complete bullshit, and causes nothing but problems. Thanks again for this thread.
October 8, 2009 at 1:36 am |
Thanks, Joseph.
I think most people are fed up with religious hypocrisy.
October 30, 2009 at 4:17 am |
The Bible is a rip off of Mithraism and Zoroastrianism which leads you to KEMETICISM in Egypt (the founder of it all). The virgin birth, resurrection, trinity, all of it is ALREADY TOLD 3 centuries before Genesis was even written!! Do the research.. it’s a load of shit. Just TRY and debunk it to all you who are too fucking ignorant to pick up a book and read for yourself and let man lead you blindly.
October 30, 2009 at 4:24 am |
P.S. If you really wanna kick knowledge, the only Jesus known to the Jews was Jehoshua Ben-Pandira, who had learnt the arts of magic in Egypt, and who was put to death by them as a sorcerer. This was likewise the only Jesus known to Celsus, the writer of the “True Logos,” a work which the Christians managed to get rid of bodily, with so many other of the anti-Christian evidences.
Celsus observes that he was not a pure Word, not a true Logos, but a man who had learned the arts of sorcery in Egypt. So, in the Clementines, it is in the character of Ben-Pandira that Jesus is said to rise again as the magician. But here is the conclusive fact: The Jews know nothing of Jesus, the Christ of the Gospels, as an historical character; and when the Christians of the fourth century trace his pedigree, by the hand of Epiphanius, they are forced to derive their Jesus from Pandira!
EDUCATE YOURSELF. Religion is control at it’s best, creating division and hate. If any of you fanatics out there believed in any of that shit for real you would follow LOVE and not preach your fucking psycho babble hate. With that said,
PEACE+LOVE
October 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm |
Wow, Easily Deciphered, that is some deep stuff!
I have some more reading to do. I have read some about Jehoshua Ben-Pandira, but the other stuff is new.
Yes, knowledge leeds to freedom. However, people seem to like to be controlled or submit to someone who will do their thinking for them.
November 6, 2009 at 2:16 am |
“Jimbo”,
Honestly, If you think being a Christian and believing in God is the easy way out, your out of your mind. We are the people living in the world not just for ourselves, but for something bigger than us. This is isn’t an attack on you.
JESUS LOVES YOU,
and always will, whether you like it or not.
December 2, 2009 at 2:02 am |
No, it is far easier to believe in god than to not. People love having something to look up too. Simply put, you fear being wrong, so it is far easier for you to just keep your silly religion instead of looking for real answers. For me it is easy to be atheist because all basic logic indicates there is no god. As far as in America it is much easier to be christain because you belong. You have no idea what it is like being an atheist because you have never been one. I have been christian so I have both perspectives. Atheists are constantly looked down upon, feared and persecuted. Studies show that atheists are the most mistrusted group in America. Do you know what happens when I admit I am an atheist in public; I get more angry glares and whispers than a neo-nazi would…so why don’t you tell me why “it’s so hard” to be a christian.
December 21, 2009 at 11:19 pm
noone accepts something that is different to the norm. Totally agree with you. any logical thinking human being will be an atheist…quite logical, but not willing to accept..will beleive in god, finally,a dumbass is religious.
November 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm |
Tina, I was a JW for 50 years and no being a Christian is not easy. JW’s think of themselves as the only true Christians.
I am at peace with myself for the first time in my life. I do not fret and lose sleep over displeasing God. My eyes have been opened to the contradcitions and hypocrisy in religion and the perposterous, inprovable notion that the Bible is from God.
Being a Christian is hard for many people because of the inner conflict they feel when known facts colide in their heads, with long held beliefs.
Research “cognitive dissonance”.
November 12, 2009 at 8:42 pm |
Jessica, some funny stuff.
Yes, with no proof the Bible thumpers wrap their lives around an improvable book and try to thrust it at the rest of us.
November 20, 2009 at 4:43 pm |
Yes, and I’m tired of it.
November 13, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
LOL I think who ever wrote this has some issues. I believe the author of this blog feels betrayed by God in some way like most people do and is trying to find anyway possible to destroy the mere existence of God by showing God to be a liar.
Personally I know that’s not true. I know that God exists and that Jesus is the Son of God and He exists.
I don’t think anyone should be forced to hear the words of God in the Bible….BUT I do know that one day this will all be over and one of us will be right.
In the end he may be right and there is no God and we all just sit in the ground…or I may be right and we have a place with God after this for those who follow His word. If I’m right then this guy loses more than he bargained for in eternity and more than likely he doesn’t care…but he will!
So if I am wasting my time in my faith at least I can know in peace that I hoped and I tried. But when this is over and I stand before God He will say “My good and faithful servant” and that makes it all worth it!
November 20, 2009 at 4:50 pm |
Tim, Okay, so what is the point of “hoping and trying” when in the end it will not be worth it? You and many other brain-washed people, are going to have wasted damn near all you’re lives just to find out in the end that none of it wes true. And all these stuck-up asshole bible thumpers, who think they are SO great just because “god says they are extra special”, and who look down on people like me, just because I have different beliefs, will all be saying sorry to us for being such dicks and assuming like they did.
November 13, 2009 at 2:45 pm |
So Tim, your basically saying that you’re not sure either, but just in case you’ll take the Bible’s side, because if you take my view and the Bible is right, you’re screwed.
Good plan. Why don’t you take the Muslim side? They may jaust as well be right. Or the Hindu side, they could be right?
Scientologists? Mormoms? Pick a religion or “Holy Book”
Why don’t you quit being a fucking moron and admit that there is no proof of any of this religious bullshit.
But continue your self delusion. I don’t give a fuck.
November 15, 2009 at 11:18 pm |
God is imaginary. That explains all inconsistancies the Bible. Is it any wonder why Your God always agrees with YOU and therefore it is easy to believe in? How about if the Bible and you didn’t agree on ANYTHING? Would you still believe in God? No matter how whacked out a religious nut is, HIS God always is guiding him. How can that possibly be? Charlie Manson, George Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Billie Graham and the woman that through her children into SF Bay a couple of years ago all claimed to have been guided by God. If ONE is wrong, then they all are wrong, for God couldn’t be talking to one of them if God wasn’t talking to all of them. Maybe all of them are liars? That would make more sense than God talking to all of them, now wouldn’t it.
November 16, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
Green Six you may be correct.
As a Deist, I have concluded that intelligent design exists, but I have no proof. There could easily be no God.
Your arguement makes sense when you consider all the non biblical religions.
November 20, 2009 at 5:02 pm |
Okay, now that I’ve read all the new comments, let me give all you dumb-ass bible thumpers something to think about.
Supposedly god created the earth in six days, about 10,000 years ago, just automaticaly. What about all the evidence scientists have found, (and are still finding), that proves there was a past WAY before Adam and Eve existed. For example, dinasoar fossil’s that can easily be billions of years old. Or bones that can relate us homo sapiens with a common ancester with the primates. Or civilizations that have been uncovered that date back before Adam and Eve. All these discoveries and more have been found and can be measured, WE KNOW THEY ARE REAL!!!! I brought this up to a bible thumper that had the nerve to come to my house and lecture me about god, and he told me when god created the universe, he created a “fake” past that lines up perfectly with the “real” past. He told me god did this so that later, (meaning now), people would have something to do. WHATEVER!!!! I told him to prove it to me, he said he couldn,t, that he just “knows it, because it was god’s doing”. How about this then, I’ve been told god doesn’t have to follow the rules of time and space, at all, so then if god is real, and he really did make the earth, why would the “fake” past matter to him, if he’s real and we all believed in him, we wouldn’t need it, right.
Nice try on his part, though.
November 21, 2009 at 8:16 am |
Dear brother and sister,
Jesus loves all of you including who are finds fault in jesus and who are blaming the jesus of Nazereth.
Jesus said “Love your neighbours as yourself”
I will pray for all of you for best understanding of god.
But always remember onething that jesus only has authority to forgive our sins but none of else.
Please brother today do pray for forgive your sins /wrongs and get peace ,joy .
Brothers and sister ,
you may find god if you seek with love of your heart not your brain.
I had been sinner long years in so many fields such as atheist,home sex,adultery,mastrubation,hating people,selfish life.But still i am a sinner such as doing lying,jealous,angry but daily i used to pray that will make me righteous man.
“Whoever blaming other actually they are conceal their wrongs”
Don’t judge other you will be judged as you judged other.
you are blaming JESUS right! can you say you are having perfect life ,doing no wrongs.
In bible jesus says “can you anyone say i have sinned”? So i am saying to all Jesus is god.
your humble brother
(jesus died for our sins and raised back to life for our life)
November 23, 2009 at 4:34 pm |
WHAT??????
November 22, 2009 at 7:58 am |
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
Yes my brother jesus of nazereth who is rescued me from pain,suffering and death.
Please god forgive here all my brother and sister .
But you are always awaiting for the sinner to forgive them and give kingdom of peace,righteouness and joy.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. source http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7&version=NIV
Please my brother and sister can you accept me as your brother.
i am awating for your love.
your humble brother
November 23, 2009 at 4:36 pm |
Again I say, WHAT?????? You make no sense, dude. And by the way, I was wondering, have you ever taken an English class?
November 23, 2009 at 12:53 am |
The conclusion I have come across after reading a lot of posts here is that almost all, with rare exceptions, tend to go to extremes: It’s just God or no God, Jesus or no Jesus, believe or not believe…
I think the truth resides, like in everything, in not going to extremes and in looking at the possible true points that has each view. Also, our common sense is most of the time very accurate in telling us which is more probable to be true…
I would like to know what the believers and the not believers think of this article (http://www.lobsangrampa.org/religion.html), which is of my point of view. But first, I want to point out that there’s a fact that many people don’t know or don’t comprehend: all religions explain or try to explain THE SAME SPIRITUAL REALITY in different ways and have different doctrines according to what different cultures want to teach, but the way in which the spiritual world functions is the same whether you are a Buddhist, a Christian or an atheist. Just because positive material science, which only can explain material world things (although nowadays science has already attained evidence from parapsychological phenomenona)isn’t able to grasp the other dimension spiritual world, it doesn’t mean that this world doesn’t exist. There are millions of every-day spiritual experiences that the average person can encounter(if he/she hasn’t be blinded completely by the materialistic/naturalistic paradigm/world view), from telepathy with your loved ones to enlightment or real dreams, to sensing the thoughts or the personality of a person you don’t know… many things, that remind us that we are spiritual beings. Given that, what religions say cannot be all wrong, and I say “not all”, cause many of the doctrines are imperfectly man-made and don’t have nothing to do with a good spirituality, you know what I mean. But the key teaching, that We are Spiritual, and what must we do to get the best spirituality, i.e. the key commandment “do unto others as you would like others do unto u”, is universal in all religions, meaning that all religions try to explain the same. That’s why I think we should respect all religions and not claim there are good or bad religions… Religions are just an adaptation of the explanation of how the spiritual world works to humans from a particular culture or society (that’s why they often have doctrines and laws which the leaders want to apply to their society, incorporated in them).
I hope I have not bored some of you. You can still read the article I mentioned if you have more curiousity on my point of view (I haven’t written that article):
http://www.lobsangrampa.org/religion.html
November 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm |
My e-mail is valentinegirl_93@yahoo.com. Any of you feel free to e-mail me some comments. I’d love to here from you, isnrblog!
November 24, 2009 at 11:52 am |
Dear sister,
pls read carefully this “Jesus died for our sins and raised back to life”
November 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
Elango,
You really are funny. LOL!
November 26, 2009 at 6:26 am
Thanks my dear sister(?).
God bless you,I will pray for you today.
Let’s god bless you and family.
your humble brother
November 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
wapfs,
I went to the website you suggested. It was really interesting. I liked most of what it said. And if some of those bible-thumpers would go and read it, it might get them thinking, too. I do agree that all people are entitled to their own opinion and/or religion. Shit, now days, that’s about all we are entitled to anymore, with our shitty ass government. (no disrespect to Obama, though, LOL)But, anyway, I do believe everyone should have thier own opinion and/or religion, BUT, just because the people with religions think they are SO much better than NORMAL people like me, doesn’t mean they should be allowed to shove it in our faces, it just pisses me off. And I’m sure that nobody else likes it either. So, all you bible-thumpers on this site, go to the web page that wapfs has on his comment, read it, then think about it. And also know that you and your “god” are not always right.
November 30, 2009 at 3:52 pm |
Dear brother/sister,
Jesus only is son of god and No one comes to the father except through Jesus christ.
After i accepted the jesus as my savior i am so happy nowadays.
Because he rescued me from homosex,adultery,mastrubation,browsing the hell of websites .
Are you ready to accept the jesus as your savior?
Any one of you have ability to overcome the evil things.Only jesus christ can give this power.You could be overcomer as me.
Whoover want to be repent and accept jesus christ as your savior please read this followings.
thanks from your humble brother.
Matthew -New testament -Bible
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“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Salt and Light
“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[b]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,[c]‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.
“Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. I tell you the truth, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.[d]
Adultery
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Divorce
“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
“Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.’ But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
An Eye for an Eye
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
December 2, 2009 at 2:06 am |
Jesus saved you from masturbation and porn? Watchu talkin bout willis? Watching porn is fun…everyone does it. And if you decided too quit it wasn’t god, it was you. The fact that you would give something imaginary credit for your accomplishments is quite depressing.
December 1, 2009 at 11:16 am |
Elango, you are seriously brainwashed. Leaders of cults brainwash their followers… Guess that makes Christianity the biggest cult ever. I believe it was Pope Leo X who said “it has served us well this myth of christ”. Interesting.
December 1, 2009 at 3:04 pm |
Tamie, poor Elango is definitly deranged, however he is very entertaining.
He is either very sincere or just spoofing us. Either way, he’s a hoot in hat.
I love you Pope Leo X quote.
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
December 2, 2009 at 8:14 pm |
Dear brother,
Let god bless you with wisdom ,joy and peace.
jesus of zarareth says that
“anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
and my brother you say
“watching porn is fun …everyone does it”
can you enjoy this fun with your family or parents or respected one together? ,porn sites may leads to nerve weekness,lustful thoughts,mastrubating and spiritual death. please brother don’t say any more this is fun.if you control this you will more strong physically and spiritually but i controled because
of jesus of nazareth ,long before i was weeping many time for come out from this but couldn’t.after
that i confessed my wrongs and sins to jesus christ at prayer who can forgive our sins freelly if you confess your sins with whole heart and he is waiting for give you joy and peace.thanks my jesus christ for rescued me from that hell.
Nowadays i am reading the bible and praying always even i felt tension and depression. Faith upon jesus is the gateway to peace,joy and relief all hell things.
see the following truth from bible.
A woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of
his cloak.She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.”
Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was
healed from that moment.
And another ex.
As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”
When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”
“Yes, Lord,” they replied.Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith will it be done to you”;
and their sight was restored. Jesus warned them sternly, “See that no one knows about this.”
But they went out and spread the news about him all over that region.
No pasters or leaders could able to brainwashed me but only the jesus christ who washed my heart my sins with his loving finger.
Here jesus example of heartwashed .
so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. After that,he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.
because he has power to forgive our sins but no one can’t do.you can say this praywashed instead of saying “brainwashed” because whenever we confessed our sins in prayer and reading the bible our all sins
totally are forgiven.Because who humbles himself will be exalted by god.
let’s see one truth from bible
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
i love the god with my whole heart, you brother … say “brainwashed” can i say to you when you love your parents you are “brainwashed” you must understand that if you love god you will love too your parents.you brother mention that verse “brainwashed”
you brother ignore the god love as mention here the pope someone quotes but noone quotes greater than god messages.
Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness
i am the witness to jesus christ and jesus christ is witness for this messages of me
amen.
your humble brother.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.This is the verdict:
Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil
hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the
truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God
Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness
dear brother i too cried for you and your family peace and joy.
you humble brother
December 3, 2009 at 3:35 am |
Great post man. ill tell you one thing that I find most appalling in the christian religion are churches. they disgust me. Jesus (according to them) was a man of the poor. he was a carpenter for fuck sake, yet the christians build these massive churches that cost millions upon millions of dollars to worship God in, instead of maybe… I dont know… giving some to the poor, the people who need it? just a thought… each church competing to have the best/biggest church trying to one-up each other is so hypocritical i could throw up. how can they say they’re being good christians and build these churches in “Gods” name. its bullshit. If Jesus cam back today he would be disgusted. stop building churches and use the money for something good. If youre a “real” christian then you can worship God wherever and whenever. go to the park, meet in a fucking parking lot, it shouldnt matter. uhg. had to get that out.
December 4, 2009 at 6:31 am |
Dear brother ,
Jesus came to the world as human being because of saving the people from sins not help to the poor but only the purpose is make the people near to GOD.
still jesus is alive .
If you want to be happy no money,properties,world any things but only jesus can gives to you because to get happy and peace you should confess your sins to jesus at prayer so that you can be righteous man.
Be dare to speak about jesus .no one can rights or power to forgive our sins but only my brother jesus .
god bless you because jesus “love your enemies” brother you are my brother so i should love even you
your humble brother
amen
December 4, 2009 at 3:27 pm |
The bible was written by a bunch of old men eating mushrooms and believing that what they saw was a religious experience.
December 4, 2009 at 3:32 pm |
PS. God is Retarded
PSS. So is that little bastard jesus
December 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm |
LOL, Johnson.
There is nothing that disproves your statements.
December 4, 2009 at 5:45 pm |
Elango, you may be deluded, but you have heart.
I do respect that.
December 5, 2009 at 10:42 am |
Dear brother ,
Let god bless you and your family,Let god gives better understand.
my brother , if you don’t know or no understand of other languages ,plainly tell “i don’t know or i have to learn this more” instead of saying “here there is no language or this is utterly meaningless”
but brother i have to understand things first before judge that.please understand the bible and jesus love ,if you want to contact me at elangoworld@gmail.com.
jesus made me overcomer from many evil things.think about you ,are you overcomer when are in trouble or at point of discourages or while evil things attacks .
Not all you can get peace and joy permanently unless or until believe the jesus who only gives the peace and joy permanently .
some says about jesus following as ..
-> A great prophet and teacher (Islam and many Eastern Religions)
-> The savior of the World (most Christians)
-> God in the flesh (Catholics and a bunch more Christians)
-> A pain in the _ _ s (Satanists)
-> carpenter,poor,mad (some other)
but as per me jesus is my younger brother who died for my and all sins and raised back to life.
thanks my brother jesus and i will always praise to you.
i am not ashaming taking about jesus .
amen
thanks to you for reading this
your humble brother
December 8, 2009 at 1:48 am |
jesus/god is a load of bullshit and this proves even further that the bible is just sucking in a hole lot of moron assholes that fail at science…
THE POPE!!!!!!!
December 8, 2009 at 1:54 am |
jesus/god is a load of bullshit and this proves even further that the bible is just sucking in a hole lot of moron assholes that fail at science…
Eg… the pope
December 8, 2009 at 4:38 am |
Dear awesomeO!
Can you prove with bible scripture that jesus/god/bible are load of bullshit.
brother can you show me one word/letter which is wrong.
Is there any proof???? any wrong in bible/jesus??
i am awaiting for your reply.
your humble brother
December 8, 2009 at 5:36 am |
There are so many inconsistencies in the bible. Surely you know this. Its words contradicts itself constantly. Why would that happen? Of course there was a Jesus once upon a time, a skilled magician like those in Egypt, funny that, didn’t he spend a portion of time there. More people would know this if the Church didn’t attempt to hide any text that makes Jesus appear more human, or well, a fraud?
But the real question is, Elango, what proof do YOU have that there is a God or heaven. I’d really love to hear what you come up with.
December 8, 2009 at 11:05 am |
Dear tamie,
see brother, my life is witness to jesus is god and there is heaven which are hidden treasures in our heart.
Nowadays i am in peace and joy because jesus made me a overcomer from pornography,mastrubation,homo sex,adultery,hating my parents and others,selfish life and so many many ….
but see brother i am sure still i am having of all feeling and tempting but i overcome all that becuase of jesus name,praying and remembring the scriptures of bible.it is not meaning that i am a weak but i know very well who am i!
I can overcome any evil things i follow the jesus who is/was/will be overcomer.
i was adament atheist but now the brother of jesus christ who gave this brother authority.
before accepted jesus as my god i was argued with many christian still arguing because of their culture of living and way of followings towards god.
Many people are attending the church ,praying and reading the bible but still they are backslide ,not be overcomer.
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i can prove that jesus is god who was overcomer see the following scriptures
Matthew chapter 4,New tastament,Bible.
The Temptation of Jesus
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
” ‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.”
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”
Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
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i can prove to you all scriptures of bible are true and truth ,nothing a message is false because every words and letter come from god.
At point of temptation example depression,jealous,anger,lust,mastrubating,evil thoughts,pornography,……think about you! are you overcomer?
want to be overcomer? accept this “jesus loves you”
But nowadays i am a overcomer because of my brother jesus ,With him i can do anything.
you say about inconsistencies scriptures of bible,are you consistency or perpect ,if you are not in perfect or consistent life then how can you judge perfect or consistence.
brother , we must learn or understand of any things before judge.
and if you think / find that scriptures are inconsistencies . feel free to me brother.
we wall want to be overcomer
thanks tamie for your patience.
your humble brother
December 8, 2009 at 1:57 pm |
Guys, you are wasting your time with Elango.
He is as deluded as they come and will simply answer you with platitudes or Bible quotes.
He means well and He is harmless. But if you’re looking for logical, factual answers you better off starting a conversation with your dog.
December 9, 2009 at 2:58 am |
See, what I don’t get is why the Bible bashes gays. I am not gay myself, but my son is and gets a lot of shit for it. Read the Bible. Ruth and Naomi were gay, so were David and Jonathan. Gotta know your enemy, right?
December 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm |
I don’t know if I would say that the Bible says anyone is gay. It does condemn “men who lie with men”.
The problem with this is that what is very apparent to most people who know gay people well. They didn’t choose their sexual orientation.
I know many gay people who have never had sex with their oposite sex. I have had many conversations with them and they all say that thay didn’t choose to be gay, it chose them.
These are credible, intelligent people.
So, go figure.
December 10, 2009 at 5:51 am |
Hello my brother, have you read the new testament in bible whether you read or not please my brother, read again and again .it will reveal so many hidden doubts and love of jesus.
i don’t know why are looking for dog instead of god.
i sure you that u r in wrong direction .come to the right direction you may find the god instead of dog.
read & look at this word of “dog” it is the “god”…
find the god you may seek.
you are blessing brother because god says…
“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
And newtestament says..
The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, but they did not find any. Many testified falsely against him, but their statements did not agree.
Then some stood up and gave this false testimony against him: “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.’ ” 59Yet even then their testimony did not agree.
Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”
They all condemned him as worthy of death. Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, “Prophesy!” And the guards took him and beat him.
cheers up jesus ! you are the overcomer but here all this my brother still arguing with you.
they all will perish but you jesus ,you will be only remain and your words .
amen
your humble brother.
December 10, 2009 at 9:45 am |
Yeah, I give up with you Elango. You can’t come up with any actual evidence outside the best story book of all time aka the bible.
December 11, 2009 at 5:48 am |
You must realize that when Jesus was talking to His disciples, He does not say “Oh, right, in future, people will soon find out that orchid is the smallest seed.” That’ll just make no sense to them.
You can also see that when He claims He is the “Son of Man” instead of “Son of God.”
December 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm |
KC, I am not sure I get your point.
It would make no sense for Jesus to mention that people in the future would realize that the orchid is the smallest seed, right after he just told them that the mustard seed was the smallest seed.
If he was God/Son of God, it would make more sense that He knew the orchid seed was the smallest seed and told them the mustard seed was among the smallest seeds. Also it would seem that God would have seen to it that a glaring scientific error was not put in the Bible.
But, undeniably, there it is.
He could have made the same point and not have been wrong. But he didn’t making him and the Bible imperfect.
December 11, 2009 at 1:59 pm |
Son of Man, Son of God, Son of the Earth, Son of Destruction…Son of a motherless goat.
And that proves what?
December 11, 2009 at 11:55 pm |
I grew up a JW’s child and read the bible with an unering eye for detail. I also looked long long long and hard for inconsistancy’s and found many. To me now, the bible is one shitty game of broken telephone from the dark ages and could care less about the words that would fall from gods own mouth into my own ear. I advize you go and ask a jehovah’s witness why god aloud satan the opertunity to prove he can turn all his own against him and listen to the biggest of all contridictions that could ever exist against any image of god. They’ll go on about how satan challenged him that he could succeed in turning all of his followers against him or to be totally forgotten with enough time. The quinching arguement that satan gave was are you afraid that man would become like god? Do not take these as exact words but the concepts are accurate to the teachings I was raised in. For a god to fall flat on his face and forget that he is alpha(the beginning) and omega(the end) and feel the pressure of umpteen angels glaring down upon him in judgement, wondering to themselves could this be true. I mean come on. lets take this scientific approach to any arguement about god and think about this for a second. albert einstein came up with a theory about the fourth dimension. He perposed and argued that space(3 dimensional) is eternal in that if you reached the end of all things you still can pull out a measurement even an inch more than the end of the universe and just keep adding more and more and more space for ever and ever and ever. Hence why space is eternal. With the idea that eternaty goes on for ever. You would have to realize that anything that seems eternal or is eternal would be one and the same as the other. You can’t have two eternaty’s becuase that would mean one would have to end for the other to begin. Right? RIGHT! Time is the fourth dimension becuase ten seconds after the end of time is another ten more seconds following. PERIOD. In order to be god, you would have to be eternal! Ahem, Ahem. last I checked, WE DON’T HAVE THE LIFE SPAN TO RIVAL THAT! The other flip side to this eternal bullshit, is if god is eternal and space and time is eternal. Would that mean God is absalutely everything that occupys the space time continuum? Sush as say, the squirel in a tree, the tree and the sweat of the nuts including the nuts on the guy who’s cutting down the tree? Or how about satan? My bet about satan is that god and satan are the SAME GUY. He’s not suffering a personality disorder. No, he’s just devided becuase he’s “pure!” He’s perfect, remember!? how can god be different from everything that he has created? How do you make the distinction between the alpha and omega to something that hasn’t an alpha and omega!? Go ahead. use mathematics to whittle god away into a joke. You’ll stop a JW dead in his tracks. The rest of the christians are to incomplete about the notion of god to go deep enough into the mathimatics of god!
December 12, 2009 at 10:58 pm |
Intense!
Good thoughts.
I agree. For example, in what universe would a god send his son to be born a human to die a horrible death to prove what?
The Angels are watching? Couldn’t he forsee this and simply tell the angels that if anyone disobeyed him they would die? i.e. Adam and Eve?
Instead he allows millions of humans to suffer and die. To prove that he is the greatest.
Doesn’t loving his creation prove something?
December 12, 2009 at 4:31 pm |
These are a little random and I hope that some people will kinda get what I am saying or seeing.
Is God and the bible like the grown up version of Santa Clause and other things that we are made to believe?
Maybe we will out grow this bible and god thing?
We will become adults and believe in reality, Just maybe?
We catch our parents hiding presents so we now know that Santa is fake.
Has no one caught the people faking the bible?
It’s like some people will believe anything that people tell them.
It really seems as if we are given all kinds of beliefs just to find out they are fake.
You can’t tell me that if we were born in a different country with a different religion all around us, that we would still believe the bible.
I feel that people should take a look around and see that it all depends where you are born, People you are around, etc, that will have impact on your beliefs.
These Individuals need to stand up and have a mind of their own.
Take your leash off and stop being dragged around by these religions.
Stop defending and start asking questions.
I feel that the government has something to do with the bible to make people have morals.
Civilians out number the government and we could bring them to the ground very easily.
So it seems that they could be using it to keep us under their control.
I mean, Look at the back of your money and the license plates, In god we trust?
Why else would a government need to put that on our things?
Since when did the government become religious?
They need to stay the hell out of religion.
Here, This gun has six chambers and five bullets, now put it to your head and squeeze the trigger to find if you are the lucky religion that you say is right over all.
I am just questioning things and have a curious mind just roaming around a lot..
I would hope that people don’t fall for a religion until they have done years of research on each one and have the views of every culture.
There is no way that any one religion is the right on.
December 12, 2009 at 10:59 pm |
Lethal, good points.
December 13, 2009 at 12:34 am |
Hey, Thanks.
I have actually sat down with a preacher and asked some crazy questions.
What I hate, Is when you get dangerously close to proving a really valuable point and the preacher pulls something out of his ass and tries to keep things appearing to be true.
I felt bad when I talked to my 28 year old cousin the other day about the light over Norway that was in the news.
She said that her and some others believed it to be some kind of sign from god.
The spiral was forming the number six so it was the sign of the anti christ.
When I read that she said that in a email, my heart kinda dropped.
I thought to myself, how in the hell do you think?
It was for sure a missile I though, Why would someone think it was a sign?
What? a sign that things are going to come to an end? haha
It’s science and not hard to figure out what that was in the sky..
I think people with religion is disconnecting with reality here.
Welp, Talk to you guys later
Take care
-Lethal
December 13, 2009 at 1:56 am
Lethal,
When there is a stain on a window or on a highway underpass that looks like Mary or Jesus, the faithful flock to it. When something like the spiral thing happens, religious people grasp onto this type of interpretation.
Why?
These people are desperatly looking for any type of tangible proof that their religion is correct. They need proof. Religion needs faith because it has no proof, no facts.
Has anyone seen any real tangible proof that God exists? I believe in intelligent design but I can’t prove it. One appearance by God to the whole world would solve a lot of problems for the world.
Why doesn’t he just do that one simple thing?
We all could use that. Your cousin hungers for that. But God continues to be a no show.
December 15, 2009 at 7:21 am |
// But God continues to be a no show.//
bcz U not seek the GOD ,jesus says “seek and you will find”
Only fool says in his heart “there is no god”
This is story only for fools …
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked
about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: “I don’t believe that God exists.”
“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.
“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would
there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”
The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer
left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.
The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to
the barber: “You know what? Barbers do not exist.”
“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”
“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like
that man outside.”
“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me.”
“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer. “That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for Him.
That’s why there’s so much pain and suffering in the world.”
your humble brother
December 22, 2009 at 8:13 pm |
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. That is like saying “well I play guitar so every guitar in the world should be in my bedroom.” There is a difference between a barber, and an omnipotent being. There are so many things wrong with the statement you made it makes me want to kill myself. There is no hope for humanity.
December 22, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Jimbo,
You’ll go crazy trying to reason with Elango or make sense of his posts.
He’s harmless. Annoying, but harmless.
December 21, 2009 at 3:43 pm |
Video, The God Delusion… Long live Richard Dawkins!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251&ei=eZcvS8vvA4nKqgLHr_nXBQ&q=the+god+delusion&hl=en#
December 22, 2009 at 2:10 pm |
Guys ..
Jesus was not givin botany class so he jst took the name of Mustard which is known to everyone .. (guys , Up stair is vacant or wat ? ) comon ,u cant jst hang on a word (“One among” , “one of”) …
and abt the fossils found.. Bible says,God created evrything in each day.. Jes ,hw sure are u tat a billion year before,a day was jst 24 human hours ? May be Gods one day was a million years(as per our calender) earlier .. u cannot be so intelligent enuf to judge evrything ya .. Please Guys out there ,If u dnt belive in Jesus,its ok .. but please dnt Insult him ,his words and his kingdom .. !! it cud go terrbly wrong .. !!
December 22, 2009 at 2:35 pm |
Subin, the Bible says Jesus made a scientifically incorrect statement. I don’t care what the circumstances were.
If he made one mistake he is imperfect.
December 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm |
Please note that Jesus was not comparing the mustard seed to all other seeds in the world, but to seeds that a local, Palestinian farmer might have “sowed in his field,” i.e., a key qualifying phrase in verse 31. And it’s absolutely true that the black mustard seed (Brassica nigra = Sinapis nigra) was the smallest seed ever sown by a first-century farmer in that part of the world.
It’s also true, as many modern-day encyclopedias will tell you, that the black mustard seed in Israel will typically grow to heights of 3.7 meters, or twelve (12) feet)—plenty large enough to hold a bird nest.
It’s important to remember that the Bible often uses everyday terminology in order to communicate simple truth. Even today, we might refer to a “sunset” when, technically, scientifically, we know that the sun never actually ’sets,’ i.e., it’s the earth that revolves.
The context of Matthew 13 makes it quite clear that Jesus was addressing a local lay audience, not an international conference of botanists. It seems that no reasonable person would therefore insist for very long that this text provides a viable basis for questioning either Jesus or the Bible, when it comes to getting the facts straight—scientifically, historically, or technically.
December 22, 2009 at 4:33 pm |
I am getting tired of Bible assholes like you ignoring simple facts.
His audience, at the time were local farmers. So we are to assume that Jesus/God whoever didn’t know that we today, with an advanced knowledge of botany, would not also be his audience?
“He was not teaching a lesson in botany”. That is standard Jehovah’s Witness bullshit.
Get this through your thick, deluded skull: Jesus was wrong. You have never said that his statement was correct, thus you know it was wrong. You dance around the facts with irrelevance, like your sunset bullshit.
There is no rationalization here. He was wrong. He could have easily made his point by saying it was among the smallest seeds or one of the smallest seeds. He did not. In all translations and in the original language he said “THE SMALLEST seed”.
Jesus was wrong, thus he is not perfect. This is not the only problem with Jesus words and actions.
It is undeniable and to deny it makes you look foolish.
However, you must continue to deny it. You are compelled to deny it and skip all around the facts, aren’t you? You are suffering from cognitive dissonance, when a known fact conflicts with a strongly held belief. It causes you mental distress. Look it up.
You can save yourself a lot of pain by accepting facts.
I don’t believe in the Bible. There is no proof that Jesus was an actual historic person. It is more likely that the Biblical Jesus is an exaggerated amalgam of several individuals.
If facts were unearthed that showed that Jesus was likely the guy the Bible says he was I would find that information compelling and it the facts were sound, I would change my view.
Your problem is that you try to fit facts into your preconceived beliefs. Good luck with that. Jesus is not perfect and the Bible says so.
It seems that no reasonable person would buy all your lame excuses.
December 23, 2009 at 6:56 am |
“May be Gods one day was a million years(as per our calender) earlier .. ”
Firstly Subin, if your statement was so, then would that mean that all the other number related lengths would be wrong too? Such as the 120 year old age of moses when he died.
You’ll find that if your statement was right, and Moses also died when he was 120, in your terms, then we would face a problem. He would have lived into Jesus’s life time and even further than that too.
See my point?
Also, maybe you need to latch onto what other slightly realistic Christians are saying and believe what they believe. That the creation story, was an actual STORY, made so early humans could account for how the earth was made etc.
You’d have a much easier time if you flocked to that particular belief too, maybe then people wouldn’t think you were a complete brainless sheep.
December 23, 2009 at 2:33 pm |
Tamie, the Bible as you know refers to time periods in many ways. For example a mans lifespan is as long as it takes God to exhale.
Psalms 39:5: “Look! You have made my days just a few; And my life’s duration is as nothing in front of you.Surely every earthling man, though standing firm, is nothing but an exhalation. Se′lah.
Psalms 90:4 : “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”
Time frames in the Bible are, as you say relative and as such, meaningless.
December 23, 2009 at 11:07 am |
thanks subin,
Since seven years i had been sinner.. but after i believed Jesus, i overcome so many bad things such as adultery,homo sex,mastrubating,pornography…
thanks brother jesus.
December 23, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
Is that stuff bad?
Except for the homo thing it all looks good to me.
December 31, 2009 at 10:25 pm |
I believe in a God but I don’t agree with the Bible, and will never. God didn’t write the Bible, and send it down to earth and then it was copied and distributed. It was written by man whom I don’t trust in the first place, edited, and re-edited, translated, and probably edited even more. I would rather live by my morals than live by a supposed book. Sure, some of the lessons in it are good, but they shouldn’t be taken literally. All my life I have grown up with people who blindly follow whatever their church tells them and can’t open their minds up. They think they know everything and are right, but the truth is, no one is right when it comes to religion. I think they live in complete bliss.
& I think we should invent a new religion Bib-lies. Hhahah